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Uruguay v Ghana
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Zapp Brannigan
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Ref should have given the goal anyway. There's no such thing as a penalty goal, but whether the ball crosses the line or not has never been that important (see: Lampard, Tevez, Gallas, Mendes, Hurst etc). No goal-line technology or video replays, ref's decision is final 
Silva
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Fouling is a incidence of the match. Such as balls going out, goals and getting hit in head during a free kick and pass out.
As I see it, fouling would be cheating if there was a gentlemans' agreement not to kick the opponents' shins, tug their shirts, squeeze their privates during dead ball situations or pick up the ball with the hands, and run towards the opposing goal.
If this was a poker game, Suaréz played a low-probability, win-or-bust bluff which paid out in the river. He was not carrying a couple of aces up his sleeve or turned the table, punched the other player and ran away with as many chips as he could.
Sorry for the awful analogy
Lord Camomile
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Aye, and it's a cheaty incidence
There bloody well is!
If this was a poker game, Suaréz played a low-probability, win-or-bust bluff which paid out in the river. He was not carrying a couple of aces up his sleeve or turned the table, punched the other player and ran away with as many chips as he could.
Sorry for the awful analogy
SuarezThis is great, it's getting like a moral philosophy class!
Yes, they were both handball, but the context of the two offences were totally different. Suarez denied an obvious goal but knew the consequences and accepted them. Henry created a situation from which a winning goal arose but even if the ref had called it correctly he knew that he might only have got a yellow card, and that it would not have materially affected his team in a negative way. He got lucky because the goal was allowed to stand, but he made no attempt to own up to his offence - until after the game when he knew it would make no difference.
And that's just blatant cheating.
And that's just blatant cheating.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
I wish I could have put it like that!If this was a poker game, Suaréz played a low-probability, win-or-bust bluff which paid out in the river. He was not carrying a couple of aces up his sleeve or turned the table, punched the other player and ran away with as many chips as he could.
Sorry for the awful analogy
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
And so is that.
Dr Furface (and others saying Suarez did not cheat) is it your opinion that Henry cheated as his offence was not spotted and he didn't own up to it?
If so, would the Suarez situation be different in your view if the handball wasn't spotted and he/Uruguay not punished?
Lord Camomile
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Just watching the highlights on MotD, and remembered Uruguay had a blatent penalty denied, so maybe it evened out...
For me though that's a big point - it's about what the player does, regardless of whether he gets caught or not. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules is cheating.
Just saw that again too, and Suarez did a brilliant double-take and "what, me" when the red card was produced, so you could easily say he was trying to get away with it.
For me though that's a big point - it's about what the player does, regardless of whether he gets caught or not. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules is cheating.
Lord Camomile
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Lee Dixon just agreed with me: (regarding the handball) "...any player I know would have done the same"
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
Now you really are escalating this into philosophy, because what you're postulating is a hypothetical situation. You are right to focus on the role of the ref - ie. doing his job correctly - but you are still missing the point if you merely see the two situations as handball offences. As I said before, the context of two offences and their potential consequences is a crucial difference.
Lord Camomile
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Possibly when considering the extent of the cheating, and subsequently the punishment, but an outfield player handling the ball during open play is an infingement of the rules and thus cheating.
Dr. Furface
One small step for me
This is actually the crux of the difference between the Suarez/Henry handballs - any player would have done what Suarez did tonight in that situation. But ask yourself this - how many players would have done what Henry did in that situation? They were totally different.
ericjarvis
give a feck for the feckless
The ref missed clear cut (IMO) penalties that should have been awarded to both teams. Just as he got a number of crucial free kick decisions wrong. Rubbish refereeing, but largely fair rubbish refereeing.
paulhackett
voiced by strother martin
Two Ghanaians offside for the pen..
Dr. Furface
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mitochondria
full-on emptiness
I have never seen anything like this. real classic, the pub went insane for a while 
btw. it was not cheating.
btw. it was not cheating.
pocketscience
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Ref should have given the goal anyway. There's no such thing as a penalty goal, but whether the ball crosses the line or not has never been that important (see: Lampard, Tevez, Gallas, Mendes, Hurst etc). No goal-line technology or video replays, ref's decision is final
^^+1. Partial ref decision ftw.
ITV news headline just then-
"Ghana cheated out of an historic world cup semi final place"
Idiots.
Guardian minute-by-minute report: "It takes a real streak of evil to win like this."
Racist bastards.
Scratch a liberal...lots of racism on display on this thread, typical beans.
bi0boy
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why do you post here when you clearly despise nearly everyone and you must realise that most people think you're a dick?
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
Don't read the Guardian but I wouldn't be surprised if "manos del diablo" isn't in there today.
stupid dogbot
Haughty and Superior
Does that mean Gyan is guilty of allowing evil to prosper? 
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I thought Gyan had a great game and credit to him for stepping up to take the first Ghanaian pen in the shootout.
But he rushed that penalty. He did not take the time to compose himself, but instead tried to get the moment over with as quickly as possible.
And he fucked up. Really harsh to say it and that was a massive moment for him, but he did fuck up. That's why Ghana are not through.
But he rushed that penalty. He did not take the time to compose himself, but instead tried to get the moment over with as quickly as possible.
And he fucked up. Really harsh to say it and that was a massive moment for him, but he did fuck up. That's why Ghana are not through.
Vintage Paw
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No. Infringement of the rules and cheating are two different things. Cheating involves a deception - hoping to get away with it and carry on as though nothing had happened. You can infringe the rules without trying to deceive anyone.
Suarez handled the ball openly and no doubt fully expected to be seen. so he infringed the rules but didn't necessarily cheat. He may have intended to cheat (try and get away with it) but since the handball was spotted immediately by everyone it's impossible to say what his intentions were. Therefore it's not possible to say with certainty that he cheated.
Cheating at dictionary.com. Some of the synonyms:
Note the element of trickery. Particularly that last one - to attempt to prevent someone knowing the truth
