Uruguay v Ghana

[Lord Camomile]

No. Infringement of the rules and cheating are two different things. Cheating involves a deception - hoping to get away with it and carry on as though nothing had happened. You can infringe the rules without trying to deceive anyone.

Suarez handled the ball openly and no doubt fully expected to be seen. so he infringed the rules but didn't necessarily cheat. He may have intended to cheat (try and get away with it) but since the handball was spotted immediately by everyone it's impossible to say what his intentions were. Therefore it's not possible to say with certainty that he cheated.

Cheating at dictionary.com. Some of the synonyms:



Note the element of trickery. Particularly that last one - to attempt to prevent someone knowing the truth

Nope, just don't agree with that defnition. Infringement of the rules is one form of cheating, deception is another.

Good link:

to elude; deprive of something expected

to violate rules or regulations:

And thus, ha!

 

[ernestolynch]

to elude; deprive of something expected

Like a good inch-perfect tackle by a defender.

 

[g force]

He did what the majority of players would do. It was a spur of the moment decision to stick his hand out and it worked out for him - could have easily gone in off is arm. He got a red card and misses the biggest international match of his career.

 

[Jazzz]

He did what the majority of players would do. It was a spur of the moment decision to stick his hand out and it worked out for him - could have easily gone in off is arm. He got a red card and misses the biggest international match of his career.

yes one can hardly blame him. The ball crossing the line is like death. It isn't 'fair play' though. It is a 'professional foul'

 

[Combustible]

Whether or not fouling is cheating is a matter semantics. But Suarez wasn't cheating any more then any other player who commits a deliberate foul. And it wasn't an attempt to circumvent the rules in the same way that diving is (which is undoubtedly cheating imo).

 

[Lord Camomile]

Whether or not fouling is cheating is a matter semantics. But Suarez wasn't cheating any more then any other player who commits a deliberate foul. And it wasn't an attempt to circumvent the rules in the same way that diving is (which is undoubtedly cheating imo).

No, he wasn't cheating any more, but he was cheating, which apparently is still up for debate.

I think some of the confusion is coming from some people missing the distinction between saying "he was cheating" and judging him poorly for that cheating.

As I said, the ethics of the action and the labelling of the action are two different issues.

 

[Combustible]

But how often do other players who commit deliberate fouls get labelled cheats? For example after last night's game, no-one seems to be calling Alcaraz a cheat despite deliberately fouling Villa when he was through on goal. You can be pedantic and say that every player is a cheat then but it's not really very useful.

 

[Maltin]

You can be pedantic and say that every player is a cheat

With football, it appears to be true.

 

[Lord Camomile]

But how often do other players who commit deliberate fouls get labelled cheats? For example after last night's game, no-one seems to be calling Alcaraz a cheat despite deliberately fouling Villa when he was through on goal. You can be pedantic and say that every player is a cheat then but it's not really very useful.

This is true, and possibly holding to the letter of the definition then I would indeed maintain that. However, I would add the caveat that I think there's a distinction to be made based on intent: if a player fouls by accident, through poor timing or over exuberence that's different to a player intentionally commiting a foul, and I would say the latter is cheating whereas the former is not (though I would of course say a strict adherence to the above definition would say both are cheating).

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Fight the power, LC.