As you might know there is a European Partnership summit in Poland is taking place now. But there is something I can’t understand. See, Lukashenko wasn’t invited because he is a dictator so he appointed Belarusian ambassador in Poland to represent Belarusian delegation at the summit. The other dictator from Ukraine, Yanukovych, came to the summit personally. I wonder why, what’s the difference between them? Lukashenko put oppositionists into prisons, Yanukovych did the same thing, and he imprisoned Tymoshenko because she disagrees with his policy and opposes him. Yanukovych accused her in machinations with gas contracts, but she saved the country from a collapse and now she forced to rot in prison. So what’s the difference between Lukashenko and Yanukovych? Belarusian oppositionists were convicted as well as Tymoshenko will be – that’s for sure. But Lukashenko is a monster while Yanukovych is welcomed guest at the summit... Really, how it’s possible that summit holders are so selective in dictators? Such actions harm the reputation and discredit the idea of the summit... Messing with Yanukovych is a bad undertaking, it’s better to hold off from him as well as from any other dictator.
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love detective
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Tymoshenko is a billionaire crook & crony who deserves everything she gets - Yanukovych is no different but this setting up of a binary good/bad between them is pure liberal bleating - and at least with Yanukovych he doesn't pretend to be some great saviour whose a clean pair of hands - Tymoshenko was well in the thick of cronyism & corruption (that's how she made her billions) prior to the Orange Revolution
Re your question - presume it's because Europe knows Belarus will never be unwelded from Russia but Ukraine still has a foot in both camps so is worth trying to influence
Re your question - presume it's because Europe knows Belarus will never be unwelded from Russia but Ukraine still has a foot in both camps so is worth trying to influence
A 'monster.'
Up goes the card, its your cue to shout 'Boo!' And the billionaire with the Princess Leia hairdo should rot in prison.
The Orange 'revolution' failed to significantly change Ukraine's geopolitical position, nor the Russian-speaking electorate in the main, eastern industrial regions. What about the other revolutions? The Rose one in Georgia went well, didn't it? And the 2008 fuck up in South Ossetia has ensured Russia's dominance in the region for years to come. The Tulip revolution in Kyrgyzstan fell apart, and after an uprising last year, there is now a Russian-friendly transitional government in place.
As love detective pointed out, with this simplistic and binary talk of democrats and dictators, after all the free balloons, t-shirts and open-air rock concerts have gone, there's been a failure of deliberately wafer-thin 'westernisation,' and its corrupt and authoritarian reality. Mikhail Saakashvili's two weeks of martial law in Tiblisi after the 2007 anti-government protests, is a case in point.
Up goes the card, its your cue to shout 'Boo!' And the billionaire with the Princess Leia hairdo should rot in prison.
The Orange 'revolution' failed to significantly change Ukraine's geopolitical position, nor the Russian-speaking electorate in the main, eastern industrial regions. What about the other revolutions? The Rose one in Georgia went well, didn't it? And the 2008 fuck up in South Ossetia has ensured Russia's dominance in the region for years to come. The Tulip revolution in Kyrgyzstan fell apart, and after an uprising last year, there is now a Russian-friendly transitional government in place.
As love detective pointed out, with this simplistic and binary talk of democrats and dictators, after all the free balloons, t-shirts and open-air rock concerts have gone, there's been a failure of deliberately wafer-thin 'westernisation,' and its corrupt and authoritarian reality. Mikhail Saakashvili's two weeks of martial law in Tiblisi after the 2007 anti-government protests, is a case in point.
love detective
there's no love too small
I never understood the fawning over Yushchenko & Tymoshenko at the time of the Orange 'revolution' and subsequent to it
both Yushchenko and Tymoshenko quite happily served as prime ministers or deputy prime ministers under Kuchma and during that time Tymoshenko became a billionaire through shady dealings with the likes of Lazarenko, Kolomoyskyi and Akhmetov - so none of them are adverse to teaming up with anyone for their own personal gains (just as Tymoshenko had no problem moving from a Russian/Latvian Dnipropetrovsk clan oligarch who couldn't even speak Ukrainian to a true Ukrainian peasant style populist if it gets her somewhere)
sends her kids to private school and the less said about her mates the better
I was in Ukraine for a month at the time of the 2007 parliamentary elections - it was startling how split the country is politically, geographically, culturally and religiously (is that a word?) - moving around from the western part, through Crimea to the eastern part was like being in completely different countries - barely saw a poster of Tymoshenko in the south/east/crimea and vice versa with Yanukovych in the north/west only Kiev seemed to have a fusion of everything (youths singing ukrainian separatist nationalist songs but in Russian!)
both Yushchenko and Tymoshenko quite happily served as prime ministers or deputy prime ministers under Kuchma and during that time Tymoshenko became a billionaire through shady dealings with the likes of Lazarenko, Kolomoyskyi and Akhmetov - so none of them are adverse to teaming up with anyone for their own personal gains (just as Tymoshenko had no problem moving from a Russian/Latvian Dnipropetrovsk clan oligarch who couldn't even speak Ukrainian to a true Ukrainian peasant style populist if it gets her somewhere)
sends her kids to private school and the less said about her mates the better
I was in Ukraine for a month at the time of the 2007 parliamentary elections - it was startling how split the country is politically, geographically, culturally and religiously (is that a word?) - moving around from the western part, through Crimea to the eastern part was like being in completely different countries - barely saw a poster of Tymoshenko in the south/east/crimea and vice versa with Yanukovych in the north/west only Kiev seemed to have a fusion of everything (youths singing ukrainian separatist nationalist songs but in Russian!)
There was a wee scandal a short while ago, involving both Poland and Lithuania leaking sensitive information about anti-government activists to the Lukashenko government (and presumably the Belarus KGB).
elbows
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One of them won an election that international monitors were just about ok with, the other hasn't fought an election that international monitors were happy with since he first got into power.
The questioning of the legitimacy of election results has become very messy in the last decade. No doubt there is much election fraud in general, but bad losers plotting to undermine their opponents by questioning the results is not good for democracy either.
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