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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
its a late model Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer - originally designed to shoot down swathes of Soviet bombers in the north Atlantic, its now a general purpose ship. 96 missile tubes carrying anti-aircraft and anti-ship missiles and Tommahawk Land Attack Missiles.
high end stuff.
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
And what is false in your summary of the ex-War on Want man's statement (except I saw elsewhere 25k, not 30k; & the PM was appointed by the Supreme Council)?
ADDED as correction & elaboration: the Prez was appointed by the Supreme Soviet (what RT may call the SS), & then the Prez appointed the PM, submitted that to the SS who approved the appointment.
So no self-appointing going on: just ignoring the Constitution in such a way that a blow to the state is achieved, a coup d'état, i.e. the SS sat that Saturday, 22Feb, ignored the impeachment procedure that I quoted the other week, exceeded its constitutional powers to vote to remove Yanuk from office, then, again exceeding its constitutional powers, elected a new prez. That's called a coup, whether you think it reasonable or not, just or not. Call a spade what it is. As I also said before, politics can always trump law. It was a political revolution, changing the regime but leaving the state as a capitalist state. A revolution is always unconstitutional - that's its nature.
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camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Well I don't like standing next to George Galloway (the slimey egotistical old wind-bag) but apart from the 30,000 (it's actually 25,000 according to what I've read) yet again, with a tired sigh- I have to say I agree with him.
I mean goddamn it Cartman.
Why couldn't they just have waited for elections next year and booted their damn president out then? ffs, why are bastards in washington constantly conspiring to make me have to stand next to George Fuck-sakes Golloway.
eta I don't know about the snipers. Wouldn't surprise me mind (Venezuela), but come back with proper evidence than hearsay.
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classicdish
Well-Known Member
The Estonian FM didn't claim that, he reported that someone else said it. That person has denied saying so. The tape doesn't prove anything, it's just someone repeating a rumour.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Why? What's Russia's legal entitlement to occupy part of a country that isn't their own? Why didn't gorgeous complain about the same self appointed government when Egyptians turfed out Mubarak?
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Why ask me why George Golloway does what George Galloway does
Turns out there was a treaty in place from way back re the 25,000 troops. I've not read it myself but apparently a US apparatchik has said that due to this treaty the Rus may not beleive they are acting illegally. Nations station troops in other nations all the time. Go ask the United states about the logic around such arrangements. It makes sense though that if there's a major arrangement for a massive naval complex in Ukranian territory, then there'd be an agreement for supporting ground-forces in the area too. Makes me wonder why Crimea is an autonomous republic in the first place actually.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
I was wondering why you agreed with him. I guess they wouldn't view themselves as acting illegally if that treaty stands up but who cares if it didn't? It's not as if states are known for abiding by international law. At least gorgeous' hot air didn't disappoint in the hilarity stakes!
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
FFS....who took the picture of them..a fucking carrier pigeon with a polaroid ? even a carrier pigeon with a mobile phone would have video
its a single pic of some hardware somewhere that patently isnt what the western media claimed it is
im not giving out to you btw, im just sick and tired of this utter nonsense still being talked about and giving out in general.
classicdish
Well-Known Member
On the topic of utter nonsense, any evidence of those 500 offices being 'burnt to the ground' yet CR?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Why ask me why George Golloway does what George Galloway does
Turns out there was a treaty in place from way back re the 25,000 troops. I've not read it myself but apparently a US apparatchik has said that due to this treaty the Rus may not beleive they are acting illegally. Nations station troops in other nations all the time. Go ask the United states about the logic around such arrangements. It makes sense though that if there's a major arrangement for a massive naval complex in Ukranian territory, then there'd be an agreement for supporting ground-forces in the area too. Makes me wonder why Crimea is an autonomous republic in the first place actually.
theyre also allowed 2 air bases, with stuff that flies in and out of them..funny enough . And the place should never have been given to Ukraine in the 50s, it was always Russian and the unique military arrangements reflect that. The Russians are just taking their ball back .
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
oh don't worry - i think i've mentioned before in the thread that i don't think the picture shows what its claimed to show for the reasons you've given - its also a bit possible that the SPG'S in the picture have got Ukrainin flags painted on the turrets. little flash of light blue...
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I posted you the link of the guy who owned the offices talking about it , with other links of the people from that party being surrounded armed and masked fascists and told they were resigning. And others of political activists homes being burned, kidnapping and torture. You however seem to be demanding I post a link to the juntas ministry of interior and see what the figures are for how many offices they burned down in the last fortnight .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
all ive seen these balaclava guys moving around in are light humvee type vehicles and the odd truck, mostly theyre just strolling about on foot . No tanks, no artillery, no mortar crews . No Hind gunships, no migs breaking the sound barrier .Just aks and some rpgs and lmgs . Lightly armed in small groups, absolute bollocks about a 16000 strong invasion force .
a few transport choppers going into one of their 2 crimean airbases and CNN with a fake archive pic of a military exercise god knows when and where . Taken from an aircraft overhead, an impossibility if that was an invasion force .
Massive hype and artifical furore . Accompanied by the BBCs John Simpson reporting that the people waving Russian flags throughout Crimea have been bussed in from Russia . A claim the BBC broadcast repeatedly last night . For fucks sake .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Im wondering why the western media never went doolally about 25 Al Jazeera journalists resigning over its coverage of the Egypt crisis . But have been furiously wanking themselves into a lather about a single American working for a well known pro Russian channel taking a fit of patriotism against the Russian enemy . And resigning for purely patriotic reasons in support of her militarys line and nothing else .
And heaping worldwide and sustained scorn on that Russian channel that Ive pretty much never seen before, except maybe for the breif period when Al Jazeera was unpopular amongst the US media during their criminal invasion of Iraq, that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
RT have just broadcast footage there from the Maidan during the sniper killings of a car stopped by the crowd who are demanding it be searched. One of the coup leaders..cant remember his name..searches the car and inside theres a modern military sniper rifle, black carbon fibre type with large scope . Didnt look Russian, definitely not one of those Dragunov types. Its unzipped from a leather case . And then he puts it back in the case and the driver is simply let proceed by the politician who vouches for him . And off he drives with the sniper rifle .
fucking mad.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
actually it was US ambassador Nuland who appointed both of them first, weeks before Yanukovich fled
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
Given what you wrote, & the sequence of comments, it's not clear what your "that" refers to.
However, as the audio clip, & my above transcript shows, the Estonian did not doubt what Cosmetician Olga reported to him. (So he was not party to a rumour, only to someone who had said they had seen photos: he does not report that Olga had seen corpses.)
No evidence has been presented that the Estonian doubted or now doubts her opinion. It is why I spoke of "what seems to be a consensus between said plastic surgeon, the Estonian Foreign Minister, Paet, & an experienced administrator, Ashton" (added emphasis).
Olga Bogomolets' opinion is not an informed opinion,she lacks the relevant expertise & experience - although it may be true.
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
What is your source that Olga B has denied something? And what has she denied?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
right , ive got that report just slightly wrong . The opposition deputy is called Pashinsky . The car is his .The crowd stop it as hes leaving Maidan and hes none too pleased . The boot of the car is searched and the sniper rifle is in the boot of Pashinskys car . The rifle is also fitted with a silencer , its clearly visible . He refuses to answer the journalists questions and speeds out of the square . Some masked guys with him .
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Its probably the local russian commander told to get a patrol moving as a show of force and they were fueled and ready to go
The British regualry used Starstreak a surface to air missile launcher in kosovo to impress the locals as its really really big and nosiy
Trundle it about abit locals see a huge noisy missle launcher and decide to put off murdering their neigbours till next tuesday
Makes sense.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Cool I got 3 answers
What type of ship is it, seeing as we're being war nerds?
Norman Rockwell's Armchair General
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
what has he said thats untrue ? Those army,naval and airbases have been there for decades . Of course the treaty stands up .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
she has denied to the western media what the Estonian Foreign Minister claims he told her . Which prompted him to phone ashton .
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Some people are trying to kick out the Syrian govt, too.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Where on earth did he or ashton say any such thing as that last claim? Earlier you had it as claims that the estonian minister supported and that she was standing by. What happened there then? Where's that gone?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
look at the vid I posted, theres a sniper rifle fitted with silencer in pashinskys boot
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