Ukraine

[butchersapron]

Voice of Russia now

 

[butchersapron]

butchersapron this is not for your discerning eyes as it was published on Friday.

http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-...mmander-fights-in-the-streets-and-saves-lives

Yes, and it's been posted a number of times already.

 

[DotCommunist]

so we've now found the actual polar opposite definition of pouring oil on troubled waters. Test firing an ICBM during a tense international crises

 

[butchersapron]

RT

675,000 Ukrainians pour into Russia as ‘humanitarian crisis’ looms

 

[Casually Red]

I cant see Putin just lobbing one of those things unnanounced. Hell have told the yanks in advance

 

[Mr.Bishie]

@paulmasonnews
The Russian ICBM fired is a trailer mounted SS-25. One warhead, usually 550kt. Hiroshima = 15kt. Trident = 8 warheads, <100kt each.

"Look at the size of my dick!"

 

[Casually Red]

so we've now found the actual polar opposite definition of pouring oil on troubled waters. Test firing an ICBM during a tense international crises

Its not really that tense though .

We might bar you from the G8 if your not careful...that thing you never even bothered your arse attending the last time.

 

[TomUS]

I cant see Putin just lobbing one of those things unnanounced. Hell have told the yanks in advance

Correct. CNN says it was planned well in advance of the crisis & Russia notified the US in accordance with treaties etc.

 

[J Ed]

Correct. CNN says it was planned well in advance of the crisis & Russia notified the US in accordance with treaties etc.

Freak out anyway

 

[Casually Red]

so it was business as usual and nowt to do with the kerfuffle

 

[Nylock]

There were rumours from journalists at Kerrys press conference of 2 us aircraft carriers heading in the direction of the Black Sea. Cant remember what Kerrys response was, but i can see what the russian one must be

That makes the test more explicable if that's the case. TBF if I were Vlad* and an American Carrier group were steaming towards my back yard, I would probably send them a 'stay the fuck out of this' signal as well.... To the best of my knowledge carriers don't go out unescorted -especially to a potential war zone -they'd probably be packing enough firepower to sink the entire Black sea fleet plus dispose of a sizable chunk of the locally based air forces. Don't carriers also carry tactical nukes as well?

...A worrying development all-round if that rumour happens to be true. No WAY would Russia allow a potentially hostile carrier group into the Black sea area, let alone two of them...





(*and as much of a macho nutjob)

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Correct. CNN says it was planned well in advance of the crisis & Russia notified the US in accordance with treaties etc.

4 hours notice, apparently! http://inagist.com/all/440933278502379521/

 

[DotCommunist]

he could have put it on hold for a few weeks to save shitting me up at least

 

[TomUS]

Everyone calm down. There are no Russian troops occupying Crimea. I feel better now.

Putin said it was "unnecessary" to deploy Russian troops into Ukraine, and asserted that the soldiers occupying Crimea are not Russian but rather local, pro-Russian "self-defense" forces. The uniforms, he acknowledged, may resemble Russian uniforms but he explained that former Soviet countries had similar uniforms readily available for purchase in stores.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...loy-Crimea-will-not-be-annexed/4461393943060/

 

[J Ed]

Everyone calm down. There are no Russian troops occupying Crimea. I feel better now.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...loy-Crimea-will-not-be-annexed/4461393943060/

It's a weird thing to claim seeing as you can just go there and talk to them. Then again, Obama and Hague claimed that Euromaiden was peaceful and Kerry just said that there are no fascists in Kiev.

 

[Casually Red]

he could have put it on hold for a few weeks to save shitting me up at least

when you put it that way its certainly verging on inconsiderate

 

[Casually Red]

It's a weird thing to claim seeing as you can just go there and talk to them. Then again, Obama and Hague claimed that Euromaiden was peaceful and Kerry just said that there are no fascists in Kiev.

and lets not forget dropping copious amounts of bombs on the brother leaders car , house, family, neighbours, relatives, anyone....everywhere except on actual planes...to enforce a no fly zone

and celebrating afterwards with



theyve seriously had this facedown coming the fucks

 

[treelover]

kerrys been on telly there telling the world nobody in Ukraine has anything to fear from the fascists. That nobody is in fear, that theres no threats to anyone from the coup. That Putin is making these threats up to justify aggression. Yet heres whats happening when the coups elected opponents hold a council meting. Fascism in action and direct threats to ethnic Russians.

http://rt.com/news/nationalists-storm-council-meeting-701/

R/T had some good moments in the past, now its just an updated Voice of Russia, sad, really

 

[Casually Red]

R/T had some good moments in the past, now its just an updated Voice of Russia, sad, really

is the report fake

 

[treelover]

more on the RT Abby Martin thing, pretty much my favourite tellly person. last night she announced on her show that she "wanted to say something from my heart about the ongoing political crisis in Ukraine and Russia's military occupation of Crimea.Just because I work here, for RT, doesn't mean I don't have editorial independence and I can't stress enough how strongly I am against any military intervention in sovereign nations' affairs.
What Russia did is wrong.

Today RT announced

Contrary to the popular opinion, RT doesn’t beat its journalists into submission, and they are free to express their own opinions, not just in private but on the air. This is the case with Abby’s commentary on the Ukraine.
"We respect her views, and the views of all our journalists, presenters and program hosts, and there will be absolutely no reprimands made against Ms. Martin.
"In her comment Ms. Martin also noted that she does not possess a deep knowledge of reality of the situation in Crimea. As such we’ll be sending her to Crimea to give her an opportunity to make up her own mind from the epicentre of the story."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...st-who-criticised-Kremlin-sent-to-Crimea.html

before they sack her.

 

[treelover]

Weird that commentary/news divide isn't it CR? evrr wonder why TR employs 911/ it's the jews flakes like Martin for their english language coverage btw?

Abbey Martin is Jewish, afaik

 

[Pickman's model]

Abbey Martin is Jewish, afaik

and abby martin?

an abbey recently

 

[treelover]

A TV presenter working for a Kremlin-funded channel who spoke out against Russia's military invasion in Ukraine live on air has been sent by the broadcaster to Crimea to "better her knowledge" of the situation.
In an off-message tirade, Abby Martin, a Washington-based American news anchor for Russia Today, shocked mostly pro-Russian viewers by announcing she "cannot stress enough" how strongly she felt about presence of its troops in Crimea, saying "Russia was wrong".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...st-who-criticised-Kremlin-sent-to-Crimea.html

Eh, I don't think U.K viewers of R/T are pro-Russian, plenty of conspiracy theorists though.

 

[treelover]

btw, have any western journalists come out so strong about imperial interventions and kept their jobs? pretty impressed with Abby.

 

[treelover]

and abby martin?

an abbey recently

You really are king of the pedants, any more abilities?

 

[Casually Red]

btw, have any western journalists come out so strong about imperial interventions and kept their jobs? pretty impressed with Abby.

if someone had went off script on BBC or Channel 4 theyd be immediately suspended and then sacked

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Must say I haven't really been following events in Ukraine, it all looks incredibly bleak and there don't appear to be any positive outcomes. This short pessimistic essay basically captures how I feel:

I hate the Euroidiots who started all this because of their little ticks and cultural chauvinism.

I hate the bastard who clung to power despite dozens of deaths and who now wants to return to the country on foreign tanks.

I hate the former opposition, who became today’s authorities, and who found nothing better than to “save the Ukrainian language” [by restricting Russian], populate the government with fascists, and promise unpopular social measures.

I hate Crimean authorities, who are so afraid for their places that they would happily serve as the doormat of an occupying administration.

I hate the tyrant in the Kremlin, who needs a little victorious war to strengthen the rouble and his own, almost unlimited power.

I hate all these “deeply concerned” EU and US bureaucrats, which introduce sanctions only when the government is all but toppled and give aid under conditions resembling daylight robbery.

I hate Ukrainian and Russian fascists, who cannot get used to the reality of a multicultural and multilingual country, and are ready to destroy it.

I hate those “liberals,” who were ready to cover for and never distanced themselves from the the fascists present on the Maidan to give a chance for truly all-Ukrainian democratic movement rather than pushing the country to a Civil War.

I hate myself and other leftists for spending most of our time in mutual recriminations rather than the building of a powerful political organization. Divided, we could influence little the Maidan or the anti-Maidan. Part of the blame lies with us.

http://www.criticatac.ro/lefteast/i-hate-on-war-in-ukraine/

 

[J Ed]

Shaun Walker, who has been behind a lot of the coverage, has written a whole article on the downplaying the existence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine having spent weeks ignoring them on the live feed. He accepts that there are far-right people in the Ukrainian government, who control ministries, but that can just be batted aside before moving on to something more important. Like talking about the less organised racism of Russian nationalists who he crucifies with an anecdote having walked around Ukraine for weeks with his eyes closed to actual swastikas, the fact that Svboda is a part of the same international grouping as the BNP and Jobbik, open neo-Nazi rhetoric, Swedish neo-Nazi volunteers, Svoboda's history of attending neo-Nazi conferences in Western Europe... etc...

 

[Casually Red]

It's a weird thing to claim seeing as you can just go there and talk to them.

with the locals speaking Russian and no military markings its a hard thing to prove though. And theres plenty of room for escalating further . With the Kiev crowd claiming the Russians have 16000 troops there . And the Crimea Agreement permitting 25000, until 2042 . So its unlikely theyll be going anywhere anytime soon . Putin can send another 9000 in and not even break the agreement...thats providing the Kiev lot arent exaggerating about the others.

and Im just looking at this aid package for Ukraine there...2 billion to pay off the debt to Gazprom.

sanctions biting already

 

[Casually Red]

Shaun Walker, who has been behind a lot of the coverage, has written a whole article on the downplaying the existence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine having spent weeks ignoring them on the live feed. He accepts that there are far-right people in the Ukrainian government, who control ministries, but that can just be batted aside before moving on to something more important. Like talking about the less organised racism of Russian nationalists who he crucifies with an anecdote having walked around Ukraine for weeks with his eyes closed to actual swastikas, the fact that Svboda is a part of the same international grouping as the BNP and Jobbik, open neo-Nazi rhetoric, Swedish neo-Nazi volunteers, Svoboda's history of attending neo-Nazi conferences in Western Europe... etc...

and svoboda remember are the moderate nazis. Its the right sector who are on the streets too .