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kerrys been on telly there telling the world nobody in Ukraine has anything to fear from the fascists. That nobody is in fear, that theres no threats to anyone from the coup. That Putin is making these threats up to justify aggression. Yet heres whats happening when the coups elected opponents hold a council meting. Fascism in action and direct threats to ethnic Russians.

http://rt.com/news/nationalists-storm-council-meeting-701/
 
J Ed said:
Did Kerry refer at all to the existence of the far-right? I'm guessing not.
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yeah he did, he filed it under the category of stuff putin is making up and insists theres no threat to anyone, because hes been in kiev and seen the place for himself. Just have a gander at the link in my last post

and consider the laughable nature of the upcoming elections the coup are trumpetting
 
Spanky Longhorn said:
Dunno but I reckon he's related to the little waitress off 'Allo 'Allo
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BBCR4Today@BBC Radio
https://audioboo.fm/boos/1964715-idea-of-sanctioning-russia-pretty-mad
The government will not curb trade with Russia or close London's financial centre to Russians as part of any possible package of sanctions against Moscow, according to an official document. We hear from Liam Halligan, economics commentator at the Telegraph and Bill Browder, chief executive of Hermitage Capital Management.
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Ukraine crisis: sanctions won’t worry Vladimir Putin
By Liam Halligan (ex-Oxford, Channel4 News and IMF)
Telegraph, 04 Mar 2014
Satisfying as that may be to Western diplomats, economic sanctions will be extremely difficult to impose on Russia and are, for all their symbolism, likely to be counterproductive. For one thing, as is clear to anyone who knows Russia’s commercial landscape, many large and powerful Western companies have invested heavily in this vast, resource-rich country and won’t want their interests harmed.
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Post-Soviet Russia has attracted huge foreign direct investment, going way beyond oil and gas. Western car-makers, retailers and household product companies have piled in, keen to tap into Europe’s second most valuable retail market and Russia’s highly educated and relatively cheap workforce. The likes of VW, Ford, Renault and German engineering giant Liebherr have invested billions in production facilities. Other thoroughbred Western corporates such as Pepsi, Unilever, Procter & Gamble and Boeing are also heavily committed – all of which will seriously complicate any attempt to impose economic sanctions on Russia.
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The article goes on to discuss the West's energy dependency.
Another tool in Moscow’s anti-sanctions armoury is its own fiscal strength. While the Russian economy has lately slowed, with growth currently bumping along at 1.5 per cent, it has expanded tenfold in dollar terms since the late Nineties. This has allowed Putin to pay off almost all the country’s debts – gross government liabilities are less than 10 per cent of GDP, by far the lowest of any major economy, and in net terms Russia is one of the world’s few sovereign creditors. In addition, Moscow has reserves totalling $450 billion, the world’s fourth-largest haul.
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taffboy gwyrdd said:
Pickmans. I wonder if you're being deliberately obtuse. Of course none of those invasions, interventions etc. passed me by.

Of course they were debated, but how many times do you think the BBC would have put it like this "we will be examining the US case to see if it has any validity at all?"

It's a question of emphasis, as propaganda so often is, and a point I've made 3 times now (I think).

Each post of yours has included personal attack and ignored a key point.

Urban really is not at it's best when indulging one-upship ahead of objective discussion.
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we don't do objective discussion. we're a bit more rough and tumble here. the simple fact of the matter is that you seem to think the bbc is the be all and end all of debates, that what they ask is how the debate's framed. that's utter shit and not the sort thing someone trying to have a proper discussion would bother with. if you want to fuck about posting crap about the bbc, then by all means be my guest. but debates take place across the media, on television, on radio, on print and online. the bbc only occupies a part of this space. now, even if - and you've not proved your claim by any means - even if the bbc didn't put it exactly like that, they do allow a range of voices to present their views, albeit within a certain set of parameters. they may not in the past asked 'does this have any validity at all' but they will have asked - and they certainly did in 2003 - 'has the united states proved its case?' going back to 1983 i remember there was some considerable discussion about the rights and wrongs of the invasion of grenada on the bbc: but so there also was in other media.

why don't you post on a thread about the bbc or start one yourself, but stop buggering about here as your piffle's getting dull.
 
rt presenter Abby Martin condemned Russias actions as wrong last night during her show and said they cant be justified. At no stage did she fall into a tank full of sharks.
 
more on the RT Abby Martin thing, pretty much my favourite tellly person. last night she announced on her show that she "wanted to say something from my heart about the ongoing political crisis in Ukraine and Russia's military occupation of Crimea.Just because I work here, for RT, doesn't mean I don't have editorial independence and I can't stress enough how strongly I am against any military intervention in sovereign nations' affairs.
What Russia did is wrong.

Today RT announced

Contrary to the popular opinion, RT doesn’t beat its journalists into submission, and they are free to express their own opinions, not just in private but on the air. This is the case with Abby’s commentary on the Ukraine.
"We respect her views, and the views of all our journalists, presenters and program hosts, and there will be absolutely no reprimands made against Ms. Martin.
"In her comment Ms. Martin also noted that she does not possess a deep knowledge of reality of the situation in Crimea. As such we’ll be sending her to Crimea to give her an opportunity to make up her own mind from the epicentre of the story."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...st-who-criticised-Kremlin-sent-to-Crimea.html
 
Weird that commentary/news divide isn't it CR? evrr wonder why TR employs 911/ it's the jews flakes like Martin for their english language coverage btw?
 
Nylock said:
is this development a cause for concern? or is this 'nothing to worry about'...?
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Nothing to worry. I should believe all Ukraine problems just media hysteria. Ukraine and Russia too much relating in culture, economics and everything, I dont even think their will start fight against each other. I have visited Ukraine in Soviet Times it just seems another Russia.
 
SovietArmy said:
Nothing to worry. I should believe all Ukraine problems just media hysteria. Ukraine and Russia too much relating in culture, economics and everything, I dont even think their will start fight against each other. I have visited Ukraine in Soviet Times it just seems another Russia.
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I would imagine that test was not so much for the benefit of the Ukrainian audience...
 
There were rumours from journalists at Kerrys press conference of 2 us aircraft carriers heading in the direction of the Black Sea. Cant remember what Kerrys response was, but i can see what the russian one must be


It appears Ukraines western orientated representative to the United Nations has been doing a sterling job there by the way . On Monday Yuriy Sergeyev told journalists that the war xrimes of the Banderists during WW2 were Russian fabrications/

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_...berg-trial-was-fabricated-Ukraine-to-UN-3549/
 
butchersapron this is not for your discerning eyes as it was published on Friday.

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He calls his troops “the Blue Helmets of Maidan,” but brown is the color of the headgear worn by Delta — the nom de guerre of the commander of a Jewish-led militia force that participated in the Ukrainian revolution.
Under his helmet, he also wears a kippah.

Delta, a Ukraine-born former soldier in the Israel Defense Forces, spoke to JTA Thursday on condition of anonymity. He explained how he came to use combat skills he acquired in the Shu’alei Shimshon reconnaissance battalion of the Givati infantry brigade to rise through the ranks of Kiev’s street fighters.
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http://www.jta.org/2014/02/28/news-...mmander-fights-in-the-streets-and-saves-lives
 
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