gamma globulins
plinky plonky
Yeah, George Bush saw the same bounce. Doesn't make him "not a twat" as far as history is concerned.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This from Lyndesy German of Counterfire and Stop the War (not this one, this ones cracking) is astonishing:
https://twitter.com/maxseddon
Pro Russian protestors apparently storming Donetsk Govt building
looks more like market day...
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
And non facists.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a call for humanitatian imperialist intervention by Russia to protect the russian speakers in Crimea and east Ukraine. There is nothing left for these people now they embrace this sort of view. It demonstrates how lightly held their previous no imperilaist intervention anywhere, how neither moscow nor washington was actually just the usual crude imperialism in with a fancy gloss.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Who did such a brilliant job opposing and marginalising the fascists who had joined their protest.
And pro-Europeans...
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
And you know, people. People who were there, either on the orders of the previous government, or because they believed that something better could take its place.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Here's a list of those murdered by the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_during_Euromaidan
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
Thanks. I'm relieved not to see the names of anyone I know there.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Have a look here
This is clearly an act which implies diplomatic recognition of the new, coup-installed, govt. which seems to make any claim that he's there seeking what's best for the Ukranian people as a whole a little doubtful.
Have UK or US explicitly and officially announced this recognition yet? (apologies if I've missed it)
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
It is an interim government, not sure where usual conventions stand on recognition of those. Barring war, they aim for May elections, though a state of emergency may scupper that.
hipipol
Peckham Wry
Liable to have been some blue on blue there too
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I wonder if German and Rees are after a few more gigs at RT?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That was my first thought but then i couldn't recall them doing stuff for them - for the iranian regime, sure, but rt stuff, couldn't remember.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
He's been on there at least http://www.counterfire.org/news/11322-against-military-intervention-john-rees-on-russia-today
barney_pig
Po-cha-na-quar-hip
Rees and German came out with the same guff when Russia and Georgia squared off. They are the mirror image of aaronovich and Cohen, but without the intellectual vigour.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How sweet, 'against military intervention'. Good find.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Someone on Rees' facebook is quoting Chomsky to defend the uncritically pro-Russian position
"My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences. It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century."
...which is fine but he said primarily, not exclusively.
"My own concern is primarily the terror and violence carried out by my own state, for two reasons. For one thing, because it happens to be the larger component of international violence. But also for a much more important reason than that; namely, I can do something about it. So even if the U.S. was responsible for 2 percent of the violence in the world instead of the majority of it, it would be that 2 percent I would be primarily responsible for. And that is a simple ethical judgment. That is, the ethical value of one’s actions depends on their anticipated and predictable consequences. It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century."
...which is fine but he said primarily, not exclusively.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
And if the world happens to be one single organised system of atrocity?
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
This is why I haven't commented on Ukraine. I can't find any news I find reliable in its reporting.
framed
Leave it!
Has Gorgeous George blown any hot air on RT yet?
I expect his take on the situation will be a mix of Lord Haw Haw and 1970's Radio Moscow...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Seems odd that in a sham democracy where consent is manufactured, he still feels what he says is likely to have a measurable effect on the US Government's actions. Rather than, perhaps, in those places that already have some antipathy to the US.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bloody good question - and given he normally makes max effort to let everyone know what he thinks, his silence thus far (if that is what is) may be revealing. When it comes, i think you have it right.
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