Johnny Canuck3
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What happens if a NATO country contains ethnic Russians?
Ukraine
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Johnny Canuck3
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What's going to happen to the Crimean Tatars?
Maybe the same as happened to the Kosovan Serbs, or the Northern Irish catholics??
I should add that the US backed nut Saakashvili with NATO aspirations made clear what the neo-cons and NATO thought of Russian minorities when he launched missiles on them in an unprovoked attacked, cheered on by all manner of nuts including McCain and our own special envoy to Georgia David Sillyband.
I should add that the US backed nut Saakashvili with NATO aspirations made clear what the neo-cons and NATO thought of Russian minorities when he launched missiles on them in an unprovoked attacked, cheered on by all manner of nuts including McCain and our own special envoy to Georgia David Sillyband.
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Johnny Canuck3
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Still don't understand how any of this justifies Russia imposing its will by sending Russian troops into Ukraine.
Johnny Canuck3
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Apparently you think might makes right. That's unfortunate.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Hmm, is there any chance of EDL/BNP (and perhaps even some more batshit members of UKIP) heading off to join them in "saving the white race from ZOG" out there?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, it's more likely for ww3 to happen in the future than the past
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not as important as Russia itself though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
hopefully
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Headline for the latest wsws on this - really: US-backed Ukrainian regime mobilizes reserves, threatening war with Russia
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Johnny Canuck3
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/26/ukraine-protests/5829289/
Looks like the Muslims in Ukraine aren't keen on Russian involvement in the country's affairs.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Cheers for the news from Wednesday. The key bit there is Tatars, not Muslim. And Crimean Tatars at that.
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Fuchs66
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Johnny Canuck3
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Have the Tatars come to love Russia since Wednesday?
Eastern-Odyssey
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This is a slightly misleading article. "10,000 Muslim Crimean Tatars" there is only 250,000 Crimean Tartars in Crimea and probably only 1-2,000 in Simferpol, especially being the city is majority ethnically Russian. Euronews put the figure at a more modest 2,000 http://www.euronews.com/2014/02/26/...with-pro-russian-demonstrators-in-simferopol/ which even that I would say is a little exaggerated. On the other hand there is video footage of the protest which clearly show both large crowds of Tatars and Russian's, but what looks more like majority Russian's, so again their argument that their is a "smaller pro-Russian rally nearby" is completely misleading.
So far the Russian press seems to overly exaggerate the size of the ethnic Russian population and support, while the Western press seems to ignore and downplay the size of the Russian population and support. However, that article has to be the worst example I've seen so far of distorting events in Ukraine.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Some media comment that the UK government reaction to Putin's invasion has been quite muted.
Hmmm....neighbouring country, once part of the union, now with sovereign independence, holding key naval and other military bases strategically vital to the dominant state of the former union...hmmm what could possibly explain Westminster's reticence?
a big in depth article, then the figure of about 50 Swedes going to Kiev is mentioned!, though of course if facists/rightists for all over Europe go, that could be significant.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Merkel reckons Putin has lost the plot.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
fewer of them would return that would go, so that's something to be applauded.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
She's a class warrior
In terms of the growth of the far right in The Ukraine, just like the BNP/NF have members whose have 'traditions' in the far right, Moseley/BUF, etc, it is likely that the Ukrainian nationalists/neo-nazis had recent family, grandfathers, who were Banderists, and of course even the Nazis were shocked by the brutality of the Ukrainian Camp guards, lots to build on then...
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
There are plenty of younger people there, though perhaps less so in the clashes with the berkut
https://www.kyivpost.com/content/uk...k-world-for-supporting-euromaidan-334432.html
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraines-maidan-protest-unites-different-beliefs-161311244.html
That the protests *started* as a student protest seems to have been forgotten by some here.
Yesterday's brutality begets tomorrow's atrocities. Sadly human history is one of "do unto others, as they did to your grandparents".
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Nothing can justify this. It's empire building.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
On both sides
gamma globulins
plinky plonky
Except only one is using troops. Europe must be shit at empires.
Plus Russia may well be sacrificing any chance of a normal relationship with Ukraine for another 50 years.
Though I suppose for Russia the current situation is pretty normal....
Plus Russia may well be sacrificing any chance of a normal relationship with Ukraine for another 50 years.
Though I suppose for Russia the current situation is pretty normal....
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How many troops did the greatest empire ever told need?
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Putin's support will go through the roof back in Russia. It's shaping up to be some year, the showcase sporting event, the social grouping to demonise and now a possible major conflict to boost up the patriotism even more.
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