RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
just replied, trying one link, to UA gov site, English language, giving Cabinet vote nos., but got msg saying awaiting moderator.
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Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
I think that as you're "fresh fish" you may need to post a certain minimum number of postings before you can insert links. Possibly.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Don't you try an deny me my right to take part in the discussion you fascist. Just for that I'm upping my level of involvement on the thread. No idea where you got the Star Wars reference from.
That's my understanding from a Russian friend too, I don't think people in the west really appreciate how disastrous the 'shock therapy' of the 90's was and the wholescale looting of the country that went on under Yeltsin.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Genuine question - was there shock therapy of the Russian kind in 90s Ukraine?
I ask because the IMF is pushing cuts to fuel subsidies that must surely lead to a lot of dead babushki:
http://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2014/02/27/ukraine-hobsons-choice/
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RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
Thank you.
This is the UA gov link I just spoke about, broken up:
htt p : // www. kmu. gov. ua/ control/en /publish/article? art_id = 247059301 & cat_id = 244314975
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Don't you try an deny me my right to take part in the discussion you fascist. Just for that I'm upping my level of involvement on the thread. No idea where you got the Star Wars reference from.
Fascist.
You daft twat.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
Worrying quote at the end of this article.
This is presumably the same group of 'veterans' that have been given the task of appointing said minister of defense.
This is presumably the same group of 'veterans' that have been given the task of appointing said minister of defense.
RosyFuture
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that was the Mike Roberts link i put in a previous post!
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
no eyed deer... you've lost me.
adding links on here is usually easy. C&P the url, select it and click the "link" icon.
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
who is a Svoboda memberWorrying quote at the end of this article.
This is presumably the same group of 'veterans' that have been given the task of appointing said minister of defense.
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
your last link was article written before Rada vote. The above link, UA gov, that i broke up gives who Rada approved, with selected vote #.Worrying quote at the end of this article.
This is presumably the same group of 'veterans' that have been given the task of appointing said minister of defense.
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RosyFuture
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Sich, 1 of the 2 Vice-Prime Minister (there's also First Vice-Prime Minister) http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048333/
Tenyuk, "acting" (gov website) for defence http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048339/
Schveik (as in good soldier), farming http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048336/ (why does this guy look like Dexter, & why does he look deranged?)
Mok'nik, Ukraine's greenman http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048334/
Mak'nitski, chief prosecutor http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048204/ (in the footsteps of Vyshinsky?)
Can you see these links, so u can put a face to a xenophobic nationalist who may be a fascist-without-an-organised-working-class-to-break?
Tenyuk, "acting" (gov website) for defence http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048339/
Schveik (as in good soldier), farming http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048336/ (why does this guy look like Dexter, & why does he look deranged?)
Mok'nik, Ukraine's greenman http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048334/
Mak'nitski, chief prosecutor http: // www.svoboda. org.ua/ diyalnist/novyny/ 048204/ (in the footsteps of Vyshinsky?)
Can you see these links, so u can put a face to a xenophobic nationalist who may be a fascist-without-an-organised-working-class-to-break?
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camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Heh, a wasted reference.
SpineyNorman
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Probably because you've just recently signed up and started posting a lot of links - I think the forum software probably picks that up and doesn't post them till a mod has checked you're not just spamming a shit blog or something (which clearly you're not doing).
Welcome to Urban anyway
Am I right to assume you can speak Ukrainian? Are you from that part of the world? If so I'd be interested if you could do a short post summarising your take on what's going on.
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
Roberts, in the link, uses nominal GDP to get a per person of $3800. I was surprised he used this, rather than the PPP (purchasing power parity) figure, as the latter is the standard one used to indicate a comparison with other countries given that national costs of living vary.
GDP (PPP) is twice the nominal. Even on this basis if each Ukrainian got the same gross income last year it would have been $7569, so GBP 4540, GBP 87 gross each week, just over GBP 2 an hour.
Would that workforce, as have Polish workers & others, welcome the opportunity to go West?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Welcome RosyFuture Привет!
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
Having read some of the thread I think people need to distinguish between fascist & degrees of nationalist politics. That's why i said Svoboda don't face an organized working class - which is what has always been particular to not just a fascist party but a fascist movement.Probably because you've just recently signed up and started posting a lot of links - I think the forum software probably picks that up and doesn't post them till a mod has checked you're not just spamming a shit blog or something (which clearly you're not doing).
Welcome to Urban anyway
Symbols & practices, even flag waving, can be simplistically described as fascist when it is not. Most politics is nationalist, even in a place like Britain. In UA this is worse. But it isn't necessarily fascist - in fact there is no need, as xenophobic nationalism is as extreme as anyone needs to be.
Boxer party has probably stayed out of the gov because they know how austere the next few years will be. Klichko will run for president, will lose, then form the opposition.
What people here call the fash will keep beating up people, shout in Rada, & keep going to monuments. It'll be different if they start having demonstrations.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
It bloody wouldn't.
Eastern-Odyssey
Active Member
Important news Ukraine is under attack by by imperialist Russian ultra-nationalists, which are currently forming terrorist operations to undermine the Ukrainian state. Well at least that's the latest news coming from Anton Shekhovtsov Ukraine's expert on Russia's far right - http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/russian-fascist-aleksandr-dugin-is.html. He places the blame on neo-Eurasianism and everybody's second most hated Russian Aleksandr Dugin, describing neo-Eurasianism as a fascist ideology. It's a shame my Russian is not good enough to watch his video, but despite Aleksandr Dugin being a little extreme, I wouldn't describe neo-Eurasianism as fascist, or at least not in the same context he is using the word, but more a Russian version of neo-conservatism.
After reading his blog for a while, I couldn't work out why a person who calls himself an expert on the far right, would spend so much time down playing the far right involved in the coup and instead create what on the surface looks like an Alex Jones style conspiracy theory against Russia. Anyway it turns out that he used to be a neo-Eurasianist in Crimea, close to Dugin and then quite clearly had a falling out with Dugin and aligned himself with Viktor Yushchenko http://www.rossia3.ru/quotes/5620. So I would say despite having some good information on his site, his writing are purely coming from a part vendetta, part ideology basis. I'm assuming it wouldn't be Dugin's music, Hans Zivers may be shit, but their not that shit, well close.
Anyway fatties back to beating people up again:
After reading his blog for a while, I couldn't work out why a person who calls himself an expert on the far right, would spend so much time down playing the far right involved in the coup and instead create what on the surface looks like an Alex Jones style conspiracy theory against Russia. Anyway it turns out that he used to be a neo-Eurasianist in Crimea, close to Dugin and then quite clearly had a falling out with Dugin and aligned himself with Viktor Yushchenko http://www.rossia3.ru/quotes/5620. So I would say despite having some good information on his site, his writing are purely coming from a part vendetta, part ideology basis. I'm assuming it wouldn't be Dugin's music, Hans Zivers may be shit, but their not that shit, well close.
Anyway fatties back to beating people up again:
SpineyNorman
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Not had time to watch this yet but looks like it could be interesting
Fedayn
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Interesting, it's pretty clear that this cunt fought with Chechen militants.... Wonder which ones...
Eastern-Odyssey
Active Member
Yes he led a group of mercenaries called Vikings under the pseudonym Сашко Билый (Bellamy Bilyj), I don't know whether they were part of the УНА-УНСО, or independent. Before that he was in Afghanistan. But he has a long criminal record after Chechnya assault, kidnapping, attempted murder, assassination, it just seems every legal case has been mysteriously dropped by the prosecutes, can't think why.
The crazy thing is this guy actually has a degree in economics and entered politics in 2012. The media spinning the dictatorship line, is lost on me when the government allows people like this to inter into the political process, let alone walk around a free man. All I could say if I was Yanukovych I would have spent my money not on a wealthy stately home, but a hittman to take out people like him.
I wonder how many of those 28 prisoners released to day include people like him.
A Russian documentary about him (It's in Russian)
SpineyNorman
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Watched it now. It's not the most balanced thing I've ever seen
some interesting points at times tho.
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
Just watched British ITV news after they showed UA team disgrace national pride, scoring first but London team score 3 in last 40 minutes. They bring shame on all patriots. But it is worse: all 4 UA teams lose. First time ever on one night. The nationalist vanguard can help cause regime change, writing new constitution, & get into gov for first time, but that doesn't mean UA plays better football. All Russians laughing at UA.
But news said nothing about UA gov being appointed. Also said nothing about Klichko & his party refusing offer to be in gov. To me it says a lot that when the news isn't what journalists hope they ignore it & hope no-one tells the people.
Good first point. It's what has struck me about some of the thread here too.
AS in less confused days, expressing a simple message, & slimmer (he's in the blue jeans, with an air of aloofness):
These young people Eurasians have always struck me as secular Orthodox priests having shaved after losing a bet. Resolute, determined, with their righteous & unconvincing arrogance.
They have this air of Solzheniytsin communing with the taiga.
That symbol has a fascistic feel, forcefully reaching out in all directions, spreading The Word, & doing so in a Spirit of Equality - with The Believers top dog.
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
thats all very odd actually. The first graffitti was accompanied by a virtually simultaneous graffitti attack on the islandbridge monument the same weekend , which was daubed in RIRA slogans and the like . The distinct impression was being given by persons unkown republicans were behind both attacks, and were therefore nazis and grave desecrators .
That laid the groundwork for another act of vandalism, this time the Sean Russell memorial . Which was accompanied by a press release courtesy of..dear jesus and mary save us...Jim Cusack . Garda Special branch , british intelligence and the UVFs absolutely favourite right wing hack Dublin journalist . Who claimed an unnamed anti fascist group ...balls.. had attacked the memorial. Absolutely no left wing activist would be approaching Jim Cusack for face to face scoops. Only state players ever give him the time of day, and his scoops. The ones he doesnt make up himself.
Its my definite view that the attack on Islandbridge, the series of jewish cemetery attacks and the ongoing series of attacks on the Russell monument are all the work of the same group of people. And those people have a state agenda, not a fascist or anti fascist one. And that Jim Cusack knows this perfectly well also.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I checked after the bloke in Moscow mentioned the IMF loan conditions. He's right. They do target the relatively large public sector, and have been since at least 2008, when this rather horrifying IMF press release was made. That is a painful read. They instruct Ukraine to cut spending and restrict the money supply in order to bring down inflation. This is crude monetarism from the 1980s. We know what that does. And the IMF is still prescribing it. Yanokovych didn't entirely give in to the IMF. Presumably the EU hopes that the new government will.Watched it now. It's not the most balanced thing I've ever seen
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
yeah, fuck them . I like Putin and I dont care who knows . And he is manly...what off it . Thats what its like in Russia.
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