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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
you dont need peoples hearts and minds when you have them by the balls
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I posted a few pages back about what Wotan Jugend were saying, hailing leaderless resistance as the way forward for those drooling over their keyboards at the sight of this massive victory. ie fellow fash everywhere.
Theyre inspired first and foremost because this is a massive victory for hardcore fascism. Taking control of a country at the point of a gun and being hailed as heroes by the entire ..western...worlds media and political leadership. Massive shot in the arm for them.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
some more intersting pics here. Just recognised the little shite giving the sieg heil in the 3rd from last pic. Hes been giving numerous vox pop interviews to BBC and the like as a democracy demonstrator this last few days . Must have saw him interviewed about 20 times .
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-monuments-nazi-symbols-645/
Also the coup have announced the Berkut are now officially disbanded. Expect to see the fash groups disappear from open view on the streets over the coming weeks, as its most likely theyll be at the centre of the new speical police, and wont need those ad hoc uniforms anymore.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-monuments-nazi-symbols-645/
Also the coup have announced the Berkut are now officially disbanded. Expect to see the fash groups disappear from open view on the streets over the coming weeks, as its most likely theyll be at the centre of the new speical police, and wont need those ad hoc uniforms anymore.
Oh shit!
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
yeah, hes a hardore fascist and right sector leader responsible for killing a lot of Russians in Chechnya, fought in Georgia too . Boasted hell be fighting jews, communists and Russians until the day he dies . Has threatened summary executions of lawbreakers . Now the Berkut have been officially dissolved he could well be a police chief by the end of the week .
some chilling footage here of the fash manning checkpoints and checking peoples ids on roads throughout the city in the video at the top . At 40 seconds in youll see an extremely brave young man take to the stage in defiance of Muzyko and his goons, and despite having been plainly sprayed in the face by some substance pose some very awkward questions to them and denounce their refusal to permit free speech . Muzykos reaction is what youd expect . God knows what happened the lad after this .
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-crackdown-crisis-administration-393/
pocketscience
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Sorry to go on about the German role in this but..
What strikes me as worrying is that for the first time in over 70 years they've gone and got their hands dirty, messing with a particularly grubby kind of foreign policy. Strong evidence is now pointing to the fact we have Europe's first fully fledged, extreme right wing fascist government.
Coincidence?
What strikes me as worrying is that for the first time in over 70 years they've gone and got their hands dirty, messing with a particularly grubby kind of foreign policy. Strong evidence is now pointing to the fact we have Europe's first fully fledged, extreme right wing fascist government.
Coincidence?
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seventh bullet
sovietwave
I'm not a fan of Mao, but don't take his words out of context. Anyway, going off-topic...
No doubt fash are manning the barricades, but RT is not impartial one bit as the voice piece of putin.
sunny jim
A pikey fluffy type
On this subject its more on the ball than the vast majority of western media though, which has been, quite frankly, atrocious.
pocketscience
Well-Known Member
Indeed.
Fresh on a wave of anti Putin coverage in the run up to sochi I wonder how much it has to do with saving face or if they're being leaned on by the west's "news management" machine (propaganda department).
Either way, what's being reported is anything but objective.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
seventh bullet
sovietwave
He pronounced little Pinya's surname wrong.
The Soviets had ring binders ahead of their time.
The Soviets had ring binders ahead of their time.
DownwardDog
Riding a Brompton with a power meter.
It's the fate of invaders' offspring everywhere - like settles in the West Bank and artisanal cupcake makers in Brixton.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And who jumped early for their own interests and recognsied Slovenia?
That's the Alternet piece linked earlier, BTW.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It's an issue for which nationalism cannot provide an effective answer. Nationalism's answer is ugly indeed, involving the forcible mass migration of people from one place that doesn't want them to another place that doesn't want them.
But in the Baltic states, at least, the Russians are mostly urban and economically marginalised. They do not form some privileged elite at all. The way the EU turns a blind eye to their continued poor treatment is a disgrace.
SpineyNorman
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So what's the situation now?
Government/president legged it. Opposition now control 'government' - watched over by armed fascists - and it seems like the division of labour they'd like to impose will be along the lines of far right in control of law and order (and maybe borders or summat?) and the neoliberal right in charge of the rest? That sound about right?
Then there's regions, mainly in the east, who don't recognise the new government and seem to be prepared to resist it physically should the need arise.
Is that a fair reflection? If so it's not looking good at all.
Government/president legged it. Opposition now control 'government' - watched over by armed fascists - and it seems like the division of labour they'd like to impose will be along the lines of far right in control of law and order (and maybe borders or summat?) and the neoliberal right in charge of the rest? That sound about right?
Then there's regions, mainly in the east, who don't recognise the new government and seem to be prepared to resist it physically should the need arise.
Is that a fair reflection? If so it's not looking good at all.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
The situation in those countries that haven't joined the EU (Ukraine, Moldova) is somewhat more complicated than that, I'll write something on this later
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Sure looks that way. But leaving the eastern resistance aside for the moment, I doubt if the present lash-up will prove stable.
Pinochet had a loyal army and secret police to impose his neoliberal model on Chile. The Right Sektor et al will have no particular reason to be loyal to any new neoliberal technocratic administration. And their control of the streets and borders will sooner or later bring them into confrontation with the neoliberal right. Having scented victory, the fascists will want to press home their advantage, and will demand de jure recognition of their de facto street politics, a politics aimed at the exclusion of all those whose faces do not fit.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
What about Svoboda, do you reckon they'll act like lib-dems in power (what little of it they've got, IF they've got it) or like fash?
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Ah, now that I don't know. I just looked up their namesake, the Austrian Freedom party, and it appears that that party was keen on 'individual freedom' as well as pan-Germanism.
Svoboda seem to have a rather different definition of "freedom".
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
St. Petersburg Times, the English-language business paper in dear old Piter:
http://www.sptimes.ru/index_bp.php?action_id=2&story_id=39214§ion=12
This story says that Russia is going to honour previous deals, but if the EU steps in it will have some leverage - or so it may think.
http://www.sptimes.ru/index_bp.php?action_id=2&story_id=39214§ion=12
This story says that Russia is going to honour previous deals, but if the EU steps in it will have some leverage - or so it may think.
I think there's plenty of evidence that a deal with Putin's empire might be better for Ukraine than an association agreement with the EU empire.
Take aircraft manufacturing. Russia and Ukraine due to their Soviet history have cross-distributed capacity. Due to all the political posturing and bickering this capacity has been left to wither at the expense of Ukrainian jobs. Ukraine does not have the economies of scale to run an aerospace industry. But together with Russia it does. There is simply no such collaboration potential with the EU. The EU is not interested in “Russian” technology and would prefer that Russian aerospace potential disappeared completely.
My point is that Russia would actually buy Ukrainian products. The EU would not. The EU instead wants a market for its own goods. This is the same problem as during the 1990s. In the case of Russia, whole industries were shocked into competing on the global market even before they could invest in upgrades. So, naturally, they failed and the Russian market was flooded with western higher quality consumer and industrial products and services. This sort of shock is what Ukraine will face, again. The witchdoctors who came up with the notion that free trade is a panacea should be lined up against the wall and shot. No western country was exposed to free trade during its development phase. This also applies to the Asian Tigers, specifically Japan and South Korea. Ukraine is not at the point where it can have real free trade with the EU. Its WTO membership is bad enough, but at least there it has some protectionist shielding as does Russia.
Take aircraft manufacturing. Russia and Ukraine due to their Soviet history have cross-distributed capacity. Due to all the political posturing and bickering this capacity has been left to wither at the expense of Ukrainian jobs. Ukraine does not have the economies of scale to run an aerospace industry. But together with Russia it does. There is simply no such collaboration potential with the EU. The EU is not interested in “Russian” technology and would prefer that Russian aerospace potential disappeared completely.
My point is that Russia would actually buy Ukrainian products. The EU would not. The EU instead wants a market for its own goods. This is the same problem as during the 1990s. In the case of Russia, whole industries were shocked into competing on the global market even before they could invest in upgrades. So, naturally, they failed and the Russian market was flooded with western higher quality consumer and industrial products and services. This sort of shock is what Ukraine will face, again. The witchdoctors who came up with the notion that free trade is a panacea should be lined up against the wall and shot. No western country was exposed to free trade during its development phase. This also applies to the Asian Tigers, specifically Japan and South Korea. Ukraine is not at the point where it can have real free trade with the EU. Its WTO membership is bad enough, but at least there it has some protectionist shielding as does Russia.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This was tagged onto the end of a rather silly and naive piece from someone who really should know better:
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think it's really important here that those of us who want to see autonomous movements developing and challenging the various oligarchs and competing states and 'imperialisms' resist the urge to take on board and internalise the language of the former and start thinking in terms of geo-political strategy and making arguments for what would be the best outcome for one or other of those competing capitals and thereby identifying with them and their actions. Recognise them, put them in context but then ask how this potentially effects the sort of outcomes that we'd favour rather than how it impacts on the other competing blocs.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
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