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butchersapron said:
Here's a piece, interesting for this:



Have we seen anything else on the composition of the 'antimaidan'?

(incidentally, i remember writing to the author when he was in prison many many years ago)
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I linked to this interview with Anton Davidchenko a dozen or so pages back:

Shortly after the interview he was alledgedly shot, kidnapped and carted off to Kiev, not to be seen since:

http://democracyandclasstruggle.blogspot.de/2014/03/ukraine-anti-fascists-in-odessa-protest.html
 
OK I can't verify the authenticity of that site (I just plucked the link from gooogle) but Tilo Jung, the interviewer has stated the same:

as well as many others
 
Just checking out that site (welsh maoist fella) & I tried the link to a borotba article on Davichenko and it was borked. Went to the main borotba site: also borked.
I don't want to jump to conclusions as maybe it's a DoS hack or just incompetent site admin. Would it be (technically) possible that state sensorship could block it. Seems fishy, just before the supposed referendum....
Can anyone else access it?
 

Capture office "Borotba" in Kharkov. Black men police +

Was broken door and then made unauthorized entry into the office. This action was carried out with the assistance of people in black uniforms with red armbands of the tape - the same as that of provocateurs May 2 in Odessa. Detained several activists of the civil initiative "Defenders of Kharkov."
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And Left Opposition statement:

However, there appeared in Odessa on 2 May on opposing sides of the barricades people, including activists of left wing organisations, who only a year ago were making part in common protests against restrictions on the freedom to assemble peacefully and against the introduction of an enslaving Labour Code. Activists of the “Borot’ba” (Struggle) union appeared on the side led by the right wing chauvinists of the “Odesa druzhina” (Odessa Guard). On the other side anarchists and anti-fascists took part in actions that were actually directed by their opponents, in particular the right wing football ultras. The latter group distinguished themselves by their particular brutality against opponents.

The left organisations were unable to put forward an independent, distinct working class programme. To say nothing of not being unable to take the lead of a mass movement, they did not distance themselves, nor even manage to retrain the masses of people from fratricidal violence under nationalist slogans. These leftists ended up in the snare of uncritical support for a relatively large movement which in recent times has almost completely departed from the socio-economic order of the day and changed it into a nationalist one. At that moment for the protesters in Odessa the ability or inability, in the last instance the right, of the Ukrainian state to exist unfortunately carries more weight than the labour rights of the Ukrainian working class of all nationalities. Instead of a strategy to remove the capitalist oligarchies from power in Ukraine and Russia there is a discussion under way as to whether the creation of a Ukrainian state was a “misunderstanding” or “a historical mistake”.
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The workers of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk by and large are not taking part in the stand-off, but continue each day to drive through the checkpoints to work. The question of a general strike has not even been raised here. Local lumpen-criminal gangs and old people who dimwittedly pine with nostalgia for the USSR are the main supporters of the “Sloviansk junta”.

At the same time a mass organised workers movement is present without a doubt in Ukraine. It has appeared in Kryviy Rih when the miners’ self defence brigade prevented the escalation of violence in that city during the attempts by “titushky” (thugs hired by the authorities and employers – translator) to attack the local Maidan. The workers showed themselves also in Chervonohrad, Lviv oblast, where they intervened in the political process and then de-facto nationalised the local electricity power station, which belongs to Rinat Akhmetov, the oligarch.
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Makiivka miners confront the separatists

“ I just spoke with my old friends in Makiivka (heart of the Donbas mining industry-MB). The separatists came to the mine to tear down the Ukrainian flag. The working people didn’t like that and they showed their guests the door. The guests got angry and threatened to throw explosives down the mine shaft. So there appeared at the shaft a self defense unit against the separatists. They say this incident is far from unique.
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Any news on metal workers/miners etc please post up
 
This e-mail trail is pretty interesting.

There are claims and counterclaims of pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian strikes. My guess is the west and east are both hankering for the lefty 'vote' in Ukraine and the west. I generally do not believe either side.

butchersapron - they talk about a united front of metallurgical workers but give no further details.

At the same time, a united front with metallurgists and miners were koksohimikov and such a way, almost stopped the whole cycle of metallurgical production.
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It could be that if some workers are agitating against the Ukrainian government, we could get no coverage in the west, or we just dismiss them like we do Borotba.
 
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pocketscience said:
Just checking out that site (welsh maoist fella) & I tried the link to a borotba article on Davichenko and it was borked. Went to the main borotba site: also borked.
I don't want to jump to conclusions as maybe it's a DoS hack or just incompetent site admin. Would it be (technically) possible that state sensorship could block it. Seems fishy, just before the supposed referendum....
Can anyone else access it?
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Scratch that. It's up again.
 
this is reportedly from mariupol today. from 4:20 show what looks like soldiers shooting unarmed civilians.
 
Just heard from the Palestinian guy I used to work with at the refugee centre in Moldova. He's been living in Finland for the last year. I'm glad he has been able to move out of there.
 
right sector being called national guard by kiev junta seem to be the only ones involved in mariupol just been showed on rt the terrorists shooting some guy innocently crossing the road.
These guys have limited training and are few in number it wont be long before they run out of ideas the masses are going to soon get these rats now
 
spartacuslove said:
you guys sound like aload of failed pigs working for £3 an hour just to spread bullshit
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I think 'pig' is a a tad harsh, also since the minimum wage came in... we get paid £7 an hour to spread soft cheese (not bullshit). The bullshit spreaders are on a fair bit more than we are.
 
spartacuslove said:
right sector being called national guard by kiev junta seem to be the only ones involved in mariupol just been showed on rt the terrorists shooting some guy innocently crossing the road.
These guys have limited training and are few in number it wont be long before they run out of ideas the masses are going to soon get these rats now
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No-one is disagreeing with most of that. It is all the illumaniti, conspiracy theories and antisemetic stuff people don't want to listen to.
 
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