Ukraine

[frogwoman]

http://www.romea.cz/en/features-and...a-and-fascism-when-the-thief-cries-stop-thief

A report from romea, a Roma human rights / news agency - goes into detail about the fash on both sides. I really recommend people read this.

In addition to professional soldiers with experience of the wars in Chechnya now fighting for either side, there are also adventurers and vagabonds without any military discipline or experience. People are often more afraid of them than they are of the soldiers.

"Ruslan Mikeda, a volunteer guarding the barricade in front of an occupied police station, believes the pogrom in Slavyansk is completely in order," a reporter on the scene wrote for the online news server Worldcrunch. "People are coming to us and complaining about Gypsies. They want us to put things in order, to cleanse the town of the gypsies," said Mikeda, a former construction worker who has been out of a job for a year and a half.

Mikeda traveled to Kiev and joined the Right Sector because he wanted to acquire a weapon. He had no luck getting one there and claims to have come to the conclusion that the Kiev revolution is being managed by Jews.

He finally managed to get a weapon by joining the other side, a militia fighting against Kiev and for a free Republic of Donetsk. According to the author of the Worldcrunch report, aggressive anti-Semitism and xenophobia against Romani people were strongly evident from interviews with that militia and from the seditious signs on the barricades and on the walls of buildings there.

 

[sunny jim]

German Antifa release statement condemning the fascist groups the Right Sector and Svoboda and the western governments collusion with them.

During the last months, we had to follow with great concern the news about the dramatic events in the Ukraine and in Kiev. The protests on the Maidan, led to a significant extent by fascists, are not the only thing we worry about. The nature of the regime change, the increasingly critical political climate in the Ukraine, the Western sabre-rattling aimed at Russia, as well as the ongoing debate on the status of the Crimea are also more than unsettling.

We are shocked to see the degree of immediacy, aggressiveness and ignorance with which German mainstream media trivialise, ignore or even support fascists. The Konrad Adenauer foundation of the CDU (Christian Democratic Union), their puppet Vitali Klitschko and also the federal government, represented by foreign minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, especially excel in the latter.

The EU and in particular the FRG, but also the USA and the NATO try to utilise not only Ukrainian pro-Western oligarchical and neoliberal circles in order to assert their economic, political and military interest, as well as to prevail over Russia in the struggle for predominance in the Ukraine. Apparently, they are not ashamed to openly collaborate with armed fascist street gangs – in particular the so-called “Right Sector” – and their parliamentary counterpart, the openly fascist “Svoboda” party (“Liberty” party). There are even some cases of militant nationalist thugs travelling to Kiev from neighbouring countries and Scandinavia. The Western governments avoid admitting their open coalition with fascists. To make things worse, the majority of German media do not criticise the actions of the government and the parties. The same low level of criticism can be observed in the news coverage of the recent increase of nationalism, the active participation of fascists in the transitional government, as well as in the interpretation of the presence of armed fascist gangs on the Maidan and other parts of the Ukraine.
VVN-BdA Kreisvereinigung Ortenau

http://revolution-news.com/german-s...ian-antifa-actions-and-statement/#prettyPhoto

 

[sunny jim]

This is what fascism looks like - the aftermath of the fire in the Trade Union building

 

[sunny jim]

Spoiler: Dead bodies

<LL: Please at least spoiler photos of dead people>

 

[sunny jim]

Spoiler: Dead bodies

 

[sunny jim]

Spoiler: Dead bodies

 

[seventh bullet]

Thanks. Finally someone with the decency to reply with researched information in a civil way (sarcasm aside)
What do I think about it? To be honest I find it utterly bizarre that that this group (albeit seeming very small) would indeed be fascists and be able to be standing side by side with anti nazis (the other banner with the strangled eagle/ swastika).
Where did you get the info that this Dimirty Odinov as being the masked person in the vid and the last pic? He seems to be the only link between this OD group and the very dodgy looking slavic unity in the last pic.

The Odinov guy isn't masked in the second video. He's wearing a camouflage jacket with a black fleece collar and cap. I searched Odesskaya Druzhina and came across him. I then searched his name, saw a 2011 news article about a racist demonstration in Odessa by the Slavic Unity group he was/still is involved in and another group. Did some more searches of SU and got images of him on SU demonstrations in Odessa.

I could be wrong, but OD seem to have tried to emulate the Kiev fascists in setting up the small camp in Odessa (until it was destroyed in fighting very recently with many dead) to attract support and build a local movement. I would hazard a guess that the men and women making statements in the Crimea solidarity video are not fascists, just worried locals. The men in helmets and balaclavas, carrying sticks and shields on the other hand...

The organisation itself seems to have been formed as a pro-Russian militia to patrol and defend Odessa from Kiev's interference (including rival Right Sector thugs). Their wider aim? Separatism? I suspect the militia had set up the camp to attract wider pro-Russian support in the city by using the cover of an anti-fascist position with regard to the government in Kiev. Far-rightists acting as respectable defenders of ethnic Russian interests. Like I said, until yesterday I did not know much about this group, hadn't been paying attention to Odessa particularly, so I just spent a bit of time googling, looking at this particular group and even though it has been at a superficial level so far what I found looks pretty dodgy. You must know by now that the old imperial colours are a pretty good signifier of ultranationalist/fascist groups in Russia itself. Alarm bells should be ringing when you see them. Be careful who you support.

 

[seventh bullet]

This is what fascism looks like - the aftermath of the fire in the Trade Union building

Yes, after what appears to have been a street battle involving pro-Russian fascists who had set up a camp outside that very building. Have you not been reading the last few pages? Your 'anti-fascism' involves supporting fascists against other fascists? Oh wait, RT is calling them 'anti-government activists.'

 

[sunny jim]

Yes, after what appears to have been a street battle involving pro-Russian fascists who had set up a camp outside that very building. Have you not been reading the last few pages? Your 'anti-fascism' involves supporting fascists against other fascists? Oh wait, RT is calling them 'anti-government activists.'

According to this video, shot from what looks like another building nearby, protesters with red communist flags get chased in into the Trade Union building by people who wear the Wolfsgang symbol and shout "Glory to the hero's, glory to Ukraine' a chant from pro Hitler paramilitary groups from WW2. The building is then burnt from the outside.

 

[seventh bullet]

the flag is that of the Peoples Republic of Odessa, nothing more. Fuck all to do with monarchism, fuck all to do with the right, fuck all to do with fascism. The colours are simply Russian ones. The resident anti fascist experts, Russian haters, and sneaking regarders for the junta have been talking a complete load of old bollocks about it and what it represents.

and as you can see from this report the protestors at the founding of this particular peoples republic were carrying everything from Communist flags to Ukrainian ones to Israeli ones. Check out in particular the dude with the Ukrainian tracksuit.

http://grahamwphillips.com/2014/03/31/odessa-marches-march-23rd/

You are a disgrace.

 

[Eastern-Odyssey]

Just thought I would post this for whom ever reads it, as some of the claims made by RT gets a lot of laughs as propaganda, especially the ones in which they constantly mention Right Sector involvement in everything. Anyway found this when trolling some of the Right Sector VK pages today, there is a specific unit known as Чорні чоловічки

I think this is their original video declaring that they are a militant group operating in the East and Crimea against Russia.



This is the same unit attacking a pro-Russian check point.



Also this is an interesting video of some heavies from Patriots of Ukraine.

http://vk.com/video-1611359_168290697?hd=-1&t=

Additionally this guy here: http://vk.com/rpl_kr Lyshko who's an independent Ukrainian politician from the Radical Right party, or something like that seems to have a lot of connections to Right Sector and Patriots of Ukraine. He was on a video that I think was deleted from Youtube about a month ago intimidating what they called a Russia separatist with a few police.

 

[frogwoman]

Anti fascism?

Did you see the videos and photos I posted sunny jim?

Disappointed with you tbh.

And great posts seventh bullet

 

[sunny jim]

So before a building was torched by the Right Sector and fascist football fans, fire engines were taken over like this one. Pre planning? Obviously the building will burn for longer if it cant be put out.

taken from http://worldfascism.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fascist-ukraine-government-kills.html

 

[frogwoman]

sunny jim did you see this video?

 

[sunny jim]

sunny jim did you see this video?

What is it? Apart from 3 blokes outside a nondescript building?

 

[frogwoman]

That world fascism site you linked to links to the ww4 report. They have this article up. Give it a read its quite good.

Manifestations of Inter-Imperialist Rivalry
It is often mentioned by Putin and his apologists, as well as international relations intellectuals of the "realist" school, that NATO has extended itself into most of Eastern Europe and the Baltics since 1991, in clear violation of assurances given to Russia's leaders as the Soviet Union was collapsing. To be sure, NATO was acting in true imperialist fashion, taking advantage of its former rival's weakness, in a form of veiled aggression that sowed huge distrust from the Russian state.

But these critics of US and Western imperialism seldom mention that Putin has also violated the guarantees that Russia gave in 1994, when, along with the US and Britain, it signed onto the Budapest Memorandum. In that agreement, the three powers pledged to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity in return for Ukraine's agreement to give up its nuclear arsenal, then the third largest in the world. Ukraine did so by 1996, making it one of the only countries in the world to have given up their nuclear weapons.

Therefore, Russia's forcible annexation of Crimea in March and threats against eastern Ukraine are just as much an act of imperial expansion as was the NATO expansion of the 1990s. This is why the annexation of Crimea received overwhelming condemnation from the United Nations, where Russia found itself almost as isolated as Israel usually is.

 

[frogwoman]

What is it? Apart from 3 blokes outside a nondescript building?

Seriously?

 

[frogwoman]

What do you think is happening in this photo?

I am not trying to prove that everyone there is a fascist but If you take anti fascism seriously You need to be careful who you support.

 

[sunny jim]

Its like your photos of stickers on a lamp posts and you claiming its irrefutable evidence of fash v fash in the building being torched - there not, they're just photos. Where/when are they from? Have you any evidence they were taken on Friday when it happened?

 

[frogwoman]

Its like your photos of stickers on a lamp posts and you claiming its irrefutable evidence of fash v fash in the building being torched - there not, they're just photos. Where/when are they from? Have you any evidence they were taken on Friday when it happened?

I didn't claim anything of the sort ffs!!!!! Where did I say that?? Those stickers were from Kiev during the original demonstrations. My point was to say that both sides claimed to be 'anti fascist'

You are the one saying that everyone who opposes the Ukrainian government is an anti fascist.

 

[seventh bullet]

According to this video, shot from what looks like another building nearby, protesters with red communist flags get chased in into the Trade Union building by people who wear the Wolfsgang symbol and shout "Glory to the hero's, glory to Ukraine' a chant from pro Hitler paramilitary groups from WW2. The building is then burnt from the outside.

I didn't say all the people at the camp were fascist, or that they deserved to die. Hadn't there been fighting elsewhere, before the camp was attacked?

 

[sunny jim]

You are the one saying that everyone who opposes the Ukrainian government is an anti fascist.

I'm saying fascists attacked and torched a building, killing upwards of 40 people. People who were obviously their enemies. Anti fascists, maybe?

 

[sunny jim]

You are the one saying that everyone who opposes the Ukrainian government is an anti fascist.

I'm saying, and always have said, the new Ukrainian government has strong fascist elements and sympathies

 

[frogwoman]

I'm saying fascists attacked and torched a building, killing upwards of 40 people. People who were obviously their enemies. Anti fascists, maybe?

how hard is it to understand that there are two (and probably more) different sets of fash operating in Ukraine?

I am not saying all the people in the building deserved to die or were fascists. But this enemy of my enemy is my friend stuff will get you nowhere especially when you keep dismissing stuff about fascist involvement in the separatists (not all of them BTW) as being 'just a few blokes' or trying to explain away why they are displaying fascist symbols

 

[frogwoman]

I'm saying, and always have said, the new Ukrainian government has strong fascist elements and sympathies

Is anyone actually disputing this?

What we are objecting to is the idea that the opposing side are all anti fascists as a result

Even the BNP claim they are the real anti fascists these days

 

[sunny jim]

What we are objecting to is the idea that the opposing side are all anti fascists as a result

If some people who have red flags get killed by others who chant fascist slogans and wear fascist insignia then its quite easy to work out which side is which.

 

[butchersapron]

What time do the men of honour come back on and say, you know what, they are a a tad fascist aren't they, shit.

 

[butchersapron]

If some people who have red flags get killed by others who chant fascist slogans and wear fascist insignia then its quite easy to work out which side is which.

Simples.

How come you can't spot fascists then?

 

[frogwoman]

If some people who have red flags get killed by others who chant fascist slogans and wear fascist insignia then its quite easy to work out which side is which.

Oh ffs have you actually been reading anything I have posted?

 

[sunny jim]

Simples.

How come you can't spot fascists then?

I'm well able to spot who the fascists are. Come up with some proof that the people who died in the fire or were beaten to death after jumping from higher floors, by fascists, were fascists as well please.