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goldenecitrone
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Balance. The propaganda of both sides has led to this.
butchersapron
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Nah, you chose a side months ago.
goldenecitrone
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That's right. The anti-propaganda camp. Not everyone fell for it.
butchersapron
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Nah, that's not the side that you chose and you damn well know it.
goldenecitrone
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I chose not to believe CRs hysterical Fourth Reich bollocks. You don't believe it either.
butchersapron
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Pretty grim this - if you don't want to be fighter, don't fight:
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Grimmer:
butchersapron
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It wasn't. It was to the yellow black and white one. Them boys with the banner and the shields and the weapons. The monarchist nationalist colours.
What seems to have happened early on. A man killed by head injury in the street among the government crowd, claimed shot. The police get out of there when approached, which provokes fury.
In the video, which won't embed, of the scene after the police have turned up and dragged the corpses out after dark, there's still a crowd going on with their "glory to Ukraine." round the cordon to the bodies and ambulances. So, I suppose, it would be conversely in the East. And wherever else.
The Nation eh. fuck it.
But then that Mark Urban on newsnight tonight announced, "...the building was set on fire ... and dozens of Russians were killed..." Russians.
Ignorant bastard. This is where this idiotic language game leads. Pro-Russian, pro-Russian, pro-Russian. Separatists, separatists, separatists. No other form of threatened or disillusioned Ukrainians after a coup? No. It's all Pro-Kiev or Pro-Moskow. Jesus Christ. Overnight now, since the violence has swollen up, the easterners have become in bits of the anglophone press, suddenly, 'rebels' and even 'insurgents.'
Here is a link to a pdf - iri.org/sites/... of an attitude and appraisals survey of 1,200 Ukrainians in mid March, from the 'International Republican Institute' (who I know nothing whatsoever about, but this is the only one I've seen of its kind). It might be worth reading, even with a lot of caution. I thought the 'Should Ukraine...remain unitary, federate etc.' (page 37) and the voting (or rather not voting) intentions sections were most interesting. That is, taking the survey, its age and that Institute just at face value. The interest of those respondents for anything more severe than federalism was tiny even in the east.
In the video, which won't embed, of the scene after the police have turned up and dragged the corpses out after dark, there's still a crowd going on with their "glory to Ukraine." round the cordon to the bodies and ambulances. So, I suppose, it would be conversely in the East. And wherever else.
The Nation eh. fuck it.
But then that Mark Urban on newsnight tonight announced, "...the building was set on fire ... and dozens of Russians were killed..." Russians.
Ignorant bastard. This is where this idiotic language game leads. Pro-Russian, pro-Russian, pro-Russian. Separatists, separatists, separatists. No other form of threatened or disillusioned Ukrainians after a coup? No. It's all Pro-Kiev or Pro-Moskow. Jesus Christ. Overnight now, since the violence has swollen up, the easterners have become in bits of the anglophone press, suddenly, 'rebels' and even 'insurgents.'
Here is a link to a pdf - iri.org/sites/... of an attitude and appraisals survey of 1,200 Ukrainians in mid March, from the 'International Republican Institute' (who I know nothing whatsoever about, but this is the only one I've seen of its kind). It might be worth reading, even with a lot of caution. I thought the 'Should Ukraine...remain unitary, federate etc.' (page 37) and the voting (or rather not voting) intentions sections were most interesting. That is, taking the survey, its age and that Institute just at face value. The interest of those respondents for anything more severe than federalism was tiny even in the east.
Casually Red
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its true, i was watching the footage there of one guy who made it out barely alive being kicked around the pavement while barely conscious by a howling mob of fascists , thousands strong. Horrific image of a charred body hanging halfway out one of the windows with flames all around it. Heavily armed right sector moving about inside the mob of ultras. Absolutely no mercy being shown despite the massive death toll . ANother guy who made it out being beaten by about 20 fash with batons. Basically thers a massive mod of fash outside a burning building slaughtering anyone who makes it out alive.
Theres about 50 more more people trapped on the roof of the burning trade union building. If they come down theyll be torn asunder by the fascists , if they stay up there theyll either burn or be thrown off the roof once the fascist get up on it . Death toll im looking at on rt is 43 including those killed on the street, 38 burned to death. Seems a number died after jumping from windows, but as people who jumped were also being kicked senseless once they hit the ground it mightnt have been the fall that killed all of them .
western media and leaders seem to be blaming the victims, car bildts twitter feed is just disgusting. Basically the western mouthpieces are greenlighting this massacre. And therell be more of it.
you can see some of the footage here, and Bildts reaction at the end.
http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/
butchersapron
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Here we go. Eight hours behind, But sure it was right sector. Nothing to do with losing a fight ina city that doesn't support you - a common theme in your justifications.
Oh no, Carl bildt's feed! The ones using syrian victims as victims here, nah.
This is where you and your pick a side bollocks have brought it. This is the only place that your nationalism can bring us.
Oh no, Carl bildt's feed! The ones using syrian victims as victims here, nah.
This is where you and your pick a side bollocks have brought it. This is the only place that your nationalism can bring us.
butchersapron
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Can i just save CR time and post up the Come and See posters now?
It's done your job brilliantly CR - got it all, every opp (this was def fash - they're on the rampage nationally, support the anti-fascist monarchists white army brigades and a greater russia). The only one missing is that you if you can't win in Odessa and you can't call on people from moldova then you've just lost this city. Your boys just took a hell of a beating.
That the city becomes a battleground for these pricks, well, that's just context, right newbie?
It's done your job brilliantly CR - got it all, every opp (this was def fash - they're on the rampage nationally, support the anti-fascist monarchists white army brigades and a greater russia). The only one missing is that you if you can't win in Odessa and you can't call on people from moldova then you've just lost this city. Your boys just took a hell of a beating.
That the city becomes a battleground for these pricks, well, that's just context, right newbie?
Casually Red
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Ive never done any such thing Ive supported the argentinian claim to sovereignty over its islands as opposed to the British claim to ownership of their territory. Your support for British imperialism in that instance doesnt lead me to accuse you of being a Thatcherite. Therefore your accusation is just as absurd.
so take yourself off to fuck basically, you wanker
Casually Red
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it also looks like from the footage ive seen of elderly and middle aged women being led from that building it wasnt fighters trapped in it. Or at least not exclusively. The ones on the roof are saying theres women among them too . And that they ran in there to escape the rampaging ultras.
butchersapron
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You supported an irish named hangman of the Junta - a real junta - real people that killed real working class activists - because he was particularly cruel to British soldiers. You're a fucked up bunny.
butchersapron
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You haven't seen any such footage or it would be all over RT. Confidently state.
butchersapron
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There's no fuckers on the roof - you're watching taped tv. From last week posting viz stuff as real to now thinking that what happened hours ago is live. It's just never ends.
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butchersapron
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Post this drivel on a more deserving thread please.
Johnny Canuck3
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Aren't you usually in bed by now?
butchersapron
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Go away.
butchersapron
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This is from the ground up.
Casually Red
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thankfully it seems the local plod have managed to get those people off the roof to safety. Not so thankfully Yarosh has announced hes travelling to Slavyansk to personally oversee the operation there . Looks like an all out assault
butchersapron
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I'd love to see this confidently stated fact backed up.
Well done on recogising it's not 8 hours ago mind.
Casually Red
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i think its time Putin sends the tanks in, sort these fuckers out . Plainly they never learnt their lesson during the 40s .
butchersapron
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Can anyone do russian or ukranian? From 15-17 could be very interesting.
Johnny Canuck3
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Sulking again?
butchersapron
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Watch the last ten minutes of this please - they kept the doors locked on the fires burning (around 20) after *people* turned up and the police allowed it, then a bang followed by masses of black smoke and their mates escaped through the door which was now locked.
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