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Idris2002 said:
I'd interpret that as the designers saying 've haff lost ze war, ve may as vell just start pissing about'.
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your half right. When they were facing certain defeat that venerated female nazi pilot Hanna Reitsch was part of a think tank along with some other very dangerous military people like Otto Skorzeny. It was a suicide weapon that was pretty much her brainchild. And she was volunteering to do it too. She even test flew the prototypes.
No doubt she would have done it too. She flew the last plane to Hitlers bunker when it was surrounded on all sides, got shot up to bits. Absolute fanatic.
 
anyways, back in Ukraine . Heres a vid of the Right Sector nazis literally having to crawl on the ground inside a protective police cordon in Kharkov after clashes between the nazis and local anti kiev demonstrators



not looking very master race there. But just as well none of them were killed, last thing Ukraine needs.

more anti kiev protests in the eastern cities of Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk with government buildings seized in all 3 .

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-protest-russia-733/

Also it appears a Svoboda activist who was also a journalist has met a particularly grisly end after being abducted by persons unknown . Found handcuffed in a shallow grave with horrific injuries and signs of torture . Regardless of his vile politics nobody deserves to die like that . But plainly hes crossed someone with a degree of power, whether state or non state. Or both .

http://rt.com/news/ukrainian-journalist-found-killed-729/
 
seventh bullet said:
I did though, and not just me either.

You don't know what you're talking about?

I'm glad we finally cleared that up.
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Well obviously, if that's what you want to believe then crack on.
I just don't have any urge to discuss with you any further, you obviously have your own ingrained, inflexible opinions that I am never going to change.

I would suggest however you get out and about in the real world and experience life a little, you'd be amazed at how the world really is.
 
Jobbik poised to get 21% in Hungary general election, wonder what their position on Ukraine will be, I think they demand a 'greater Hungary' and there are a considerable amount of ethnic Hungarians in the Ukraine.
 
Casually Red said:
anyways, back in Ukraine . Heres a vid of the Right Sector nazis literally having to crawl on the ground inside a protective police cordon in Kharkov after clashes between the nazis and local anti kiev demonstrators



not looking very master race there. But just as well none of them were killed, last thing Ukraine needs.

more anti kiev protests in the eastern cities of Donetsk, Kharkov and Lugansk with government buildings seized in all 3 .

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-protest-russia-733/

Also it appears a Svoboda activist who was also a journalist has met a particularly grisly end after being abducted by persons unknown . Found handcuffed in a shallow grave with horrific injuries and signs of torture . Regardless of his vile politics nobody deserves to die like that . But plainly hes crossed someone with a degree of power, whether state or non state. Or both .

http://rt.com/news/ukrainian-journalist-found-killed-729/
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Oh Dearie me mate
All hail the new Pravda eh?
Have you not detected the slight tinge of bias in the RT bile?
Anyone not prepared to swill Putins piss is a Nazi seems to be your default setting
You are a complete and total idiot
Please bugger off to the onetime workers paradise forthwith
 
"We confirm the death of a Ukrainian officer in the village of Novofedorivka in Crimea," the ministry's press service told Interfax-Ukraine. According to the news agency, the Russian serviceman shot dead the Ukrainian officer near the hostel where the latter lived.
Dmytro Tymchuk, director of the Centre for Military and Political Studies, said on Facebook on Monday that Russian junior sergeant Ye S Zaitsevv shot a Ukrainian serviceman – who he named as Major K of military unit No 1100 – twice in the head at point-blank range as he was making his way back to his hotel.
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I see Russian justice is already being implemented in Crimea.
 
Pro-Russian activists occupying a government building in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk have proclaimed the creation of a sovereign "people's republic" independent of the capital, Kiev.

The announcement, which was posted on YouTube, was delivered by a protest spokesperson outside a building currently occupied by several thousand Russia supporters, some of them armed.

"Seeking to create a popular, legitimate, sovereign state, I proclaim the creation for the sovereign state of the People's Republic of Donetsk," the spokesperson said to cheers from the gathered crowd.

The Interfax news agency reported that the self-proclaimed leaders of Donetsk had vowed to hold a referendum on regional sovereignty no later than 11 May. Ukrainian presidential elections have been set for 25 May.

The regional news website Ostrov said the activists wanted to join the Russian Federation in a similar way to the Crimean peninsula.

Ukraine's acting president, Olexander Turchynov, said the separatist call in Donetsk and pro-Russian protests in two other cities in the east of the country was evidence of a "second stage" of Russian operations "playing out the Crimean scenario".

The acting prime minister, Arseny Yatseniuk, told a cabinet meeting in Kiev: "An anti-Ukrainian plan is being put into operation ... under which foreign troops will cross the border and seize the territory of the country."

Pro-Russian protesters remain in control of security service headquarters in the eastern Ukrainian region of Lugansk. Activists vacated an administration building in Kharkiv on Monday after occupying it overnight.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/07/ukraine-officer-shot-dead-russian-soldier-crimea
 
Some of these characters in these self styled 'people's activists' would be seen as bonkers here in the U.k, its only the crisis there that is legitimising their actions.
 
treelover said:
Some of these characters in these self styled 'people's activists' would be seen as bonkers here in the U.k, its only the crisis there that is legitimising their actions.
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On both sides!

But that's the way of civil conflict, the radical, more willing to act in extreme way types tend to be the ones with the highest profile due to their actions and also due to opposing sides denouncing each other because of such actions.
 
treelover said:
Jobbik poised to get 21% in Hungary general election, wonder what their position on Ukraine will be, I think they demand a 'greater Hungary' and there are a considerable amount of ethnic Hungarians in the Ukraine.
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Not a "greater Hungary". Their ambition is for a Hungary that conforms to Habsburg borders, so actually "historic Hungary" is a lot more accurate. That doesn't just mean taking a bite out of Ukraine, it means taking bites out of Slovakia, Romania, Austria and Croatia.
As for "considerable amount", there are more "ethnic Hungarians" in Romania, than in Ukraine, and most of them don't want to be part of a resurgent Hungarian polity.
 
hipipol said:
Oh Dearie me mate
All hail the new Pravda eh?
Have you not detected the slight tinge of bias in the RT bile?
Anyone not prepared to swill Putins piss is a Nazi seems to be your default setting
You are a complete and total idiot
Please bugger off to the onetime workers paradise forthwith
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I hear what you're saying... but don't see any difference in what you say about RT to the stuff you get on Western media, where anyone not prepared to swill Kerrys piss for instance is a Hitler Appeaser.
 
camouflage said:
I hear what you're saying... but don't see any difference in what you say about RT to the stuff you get on Western media, where anyone not prepared to swill Kerrys piss for instance is a Hitler Appeaser.
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I doubt anyone from the Express would take a mouthful of Kerrys bladder juice.....oh yeah, they were Hitler Lovers, let alone appeasers!!!;)
Think you find that RT is more closely aligned with the Kremlins world view than is say the Beeb with Camerons
 
hipipol said:
I doubt anyone from the Express would take a mouthful of Kerrys bladder juice.....oh yeah, they were Hitler Lovers, let alone appeasers!!!;)
Think you find that RT is more closely aligned with the Kremlins world view than is say the Beeb with Camerons
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Then how come all the creepy mono-thought-clique out there in media news land? Besides even if RT is a Kremlin mouth-piece that doesn't mean it should be dismissed. I've been having a listen to Russia's side of the story and to be fair, in my opinion yeh; story holds up. The EU/US narrative... not so much. Why should we take the BBC or Sky News or any of the others any more seriously then you take RT?
 
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