Ukraine

[butchersapron]

im sorry dear fellow but your just divining now . thats just your own opinion .

Two . of them . Interesting .

 

[Casually Red]

It translates as "Look at the person who can and will recognize from today's "activists" Maidan ." (through Google translate)

right, just noticed whats been going on there.

that nazi with the beard and floppy hair certainly looks familiar . Definitely seen pics of him somewhere else

 

[butchersapron]

It translates as "Look at the person who can and will recognize from today's "activists" Maidan ." (through Google translate)

Thanks. I was suggesting that CR may not have a good enough grasp of the text due to not being able to read a fucking word of it to be able to so confidently post what it proper def forver says.

 

[goldenecitrone]

right, just noticed whats been going on there.

that nazi with the beard and floppy hair certainly looks familiar . Definitely seen pics of him somewhere else

Crimewatch Ukraine?

 

[tim]

im sorry dear fellow but your just divining now . thats just your own opinion .

Not really the Israelis and Syrian regimes have always rubbed along together quite well. They've both over the years had their little adventures in the Lebanon but were never keen to take each other on. Don't forget either the fact that, following a fairly common post colonial pattern, power in Syria held by a religious minority (the Alawi). What interest do you think they would really have in seeing the creation of a potentially destabilising independent, majority Sunni, Palestinian state.

Until thefall of Saddam Syria's real enemy were their fellow Baathists in Baghdad.

 

[IC3D]

Not to mention the numerous assisination attempts on Arafat

 

[Casually Red]

hmm...im pretty sure theres another bloke just out of camera hi fiving him there and thats not how it looks

 

[co-op]

This fascist coup isn't a done deal at all. Here are the Right Sector turning up in Donetsk and getting their arses kicked by locals - the nazis dont control Donetsk thats for sure. They were only saved from a more serious beating through protection from the cops although some of them had 'a full and frank discussion with the pavement'

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Edit: Hopefully there will be a massive anti fascist backlash against the nazi scumfucks and at the very least eastern Ukraine will be fascist free - maybe even Kiev might be liberated too.

Do you have any back story to this film? I can hear the crowd chanting Russia which sounds like they fight is Russian nationalists vs Ukrainian nationalists/Kiev regime loyalists but how do we know they are Right Sector and what are they doing in Donetsk etc.

The local police certainly don't look too fussed about helping them out much.

 

[barney_pig]

the israelis just bombed syria again the other day

Common interest, assads been doing the same every day for the past two years

 

[Knotted]

well it would be better if NATO and the US had no power and it would be better if the force that opposed them was more ideologically sound . But yes, essentially thats what im arguing. A multipolar world stands a far better chance of keeping US and NATO aggression in check. Therefore makes it harder for them to simply destroy anywhere they want. Those things they want to destroy tend to be progressive on a number of levels.

To an extent, yes. To an extent it is lucky we have NATO and the US to keep Russia in check. But there is a larger problem with a multi-polar world and that's the conflicts that will inevitably arise and the people caught up in those conflicts aren't just pawns for the great powers, or at least shouldn't be. I can perhaps understand nostalgia for the old Soviet Union but I can't understand nostalgia for the cold war.

 

[DairyQueen]

To an extent, yes. To an extent it is lucky we have NATO and the US to keep Russia in check. But there is a larger problem with a multi-polar world and that's the conflicts that will inevitably arise and the people caught up in those conflicts aren't just pawns for the great powers, or at least shouldn't be. I can perhaps understand nostalgia for the old Soviet Union but I can't understand nostalgia for the cold war.

I personally don't agree with NATO, but a Cold War based on nationalism? No doubt our 'healthy patriotism' on the one hand, and Russian 'ultra nationalism' on the other. For the small chance some pan-Africans might receive a couple Kalashnikovs?

 

[sunny jim]

Thanks. I was suggesting that CR may not have a good enough grasp of the text due to not being able to read a fucking word of it to be able to so confidently post what it proper def forver says.

I expect he used the translate function just like I did.

 

[sunny jim]

This is the rest of the text that's in the link that CR posted
NATO officer conducting classes on installation technique min lecture on first aid in combat wounds it - radio-controlled mines directionalfuture saboteurs also taught how to use here such "toys" in the course includes lessons on making improvised explosive devices (sm.video video003) skill manufacturing and apply the "infernal machine" is now fighting arsenal young Ukrainians focused on the radio-controlled mines directional Ukrainian "cadets" the consciousness of the case came to the development of subversive science perfected theoretical knowledge in practical classes Ukrainian "cadets" establish a radio-controlled directional mine in the forest the roadside bomb is set to hit the car traveling on the highway. for what purpose their mines will choose this young member of UNA-UNSO, after returning from Estonia to Ukraine? road there was a car, its driver and passengers are not even aware that they are - the purpose of undermining the conditional (see video video015 , video016 ) classes were held successfully - subversive science, taught by an instructor NATO assimilated Ukrainian militants remains to obtain an order for its use in combat cadets also trained covert penetration into the building ...and overcoming water obstacles under the strict supervision of the NATO-vskih instructors went shooting training cadets mastered many small arms NATO instructors were willing to give the most detailed advice mastering sniper rifle firing a bazooka impressive arsenal of Ukrainian Nationalists edged weapon - an essential companion Ukrainian saboteur and nails something dirty! Exotics graduates courses commemorated sabotage Nazi soldiers (German, Estonian and Finnish), died during the Second World War on the territory of Estonia Closing courses Here video about preparing Ukrainian saboteurs. Source

 

[goldenecitrone]

This is the rest of the text that's in the link that CR posted
NATO officer conducting classes on installation technique min lecture on first aid in combat wounds it - radio-controlled mines directionalfuture saboteurs also taught how to use here such "toys" in the course includes lessons on making improvised explosive devices (sm.video video003) skill manufacturing and apply the "infernal machine" is now fighting arsenal young Ukrainians focused on the radio-controlled mines directional Ukrainian "cadets" the consciousness of the case came to the development of subversive science perfected theoretical knowledge in practical classes Ukrainian "cadets" establish a radio-controlled directional mine in the forest the roadside bomb is set to hit the car traveling on the highway. for what purpose their mines will choose this young member of UNA-UNSO, after returning from Estonia to Ukraine? road there was a car, its driver and passengers are not even aware that they are - the purpose of undermining the conditional (see video video015 , video016 ) classes were held successfully - subversive science, taught by an instructor NATO assimilated Ukrainian militants remains to obtain an order for its use in combat cadets also trained covert penetration into the building ...and overcoming water obstacles under the strict supervision of the NATO-vskih instructors went shooting training cadets mastered many small arms NATO instructors were willing to give the most detailed advice mastering sniper rifle firing a bazooka impressive arsenal of Ukrainian Nationalists edged weapon - an essential companion Ukrainian saboteur and nails something dirty! Exotics graduates courses commemorated sabotage Nazi soldiers (German, Estonian and Finnish), died during the Second World War on the territory of Estonia Closing courses Here video about preparing Ukrainian saboteurs. Source

So you consider this evidence that NATO were funding Ukrainian nationalists in Estonia, some eight years ago, to rise up and overthrow Yanukovych? It would certainly explain all those radio-controlled mines going off all over the Maidan, not to mention those 'infernal machines' and bazookas they were using.

 

[DownwardDog]

This thread is barking mad now.

 

[sunny jim]

So you consider this evidence that NATO were funding Ukrainian nationalists in Estonia, some eight years ago, to rise up and overthrow Yanukovych? It would certainly explain all those radio-controlled mines going off all over the Maidan, not to mention those 'infernal machines' and bazookas they were using.

Just posting the translation of it. What is known is the CIA have used all sorts of black ops in previous regime changes/coups including the training of fascists to carry out their dirty work. The CIA have a vast history, going back decades, of this kind of thing.

 

[andysays]

So you consider this evidence that NATO were funding Ukrainian nationalists in Estonia, some eight years ago, to rise up and overthrow Yanukovych? It would certainly explain all those radio-controlled mines going off all over the Maidan, not to mention those 'infernal machines' and bazookas they were using.

TBF, I think it was CR who made that claim.

sunny jim was merely doing what his handlers in the Kremlin CR himself had failed to do, namely provide a translation into English

 

[Lo Siento.]

Just posting the translation of it. What is known is the CIA have used all sorts of black ops in previous regime changes/coups including the training of fascists to carry out their dirty work. The CIA have a vast history, going back decades, of this kind of thing.

Not exactly a conspiracy this. The US Embassy in Ukraine openly boasts of USAID pumping $1.8bn into the country for "democracy promotion" over the last 20 years.

(ETA: Huffington Post article on where the money is going)

 

[sunny jim]

TBF, I think it was CR who made that claim.

sunny jim was merely doing what his handlers in the Kremlin CR himself had failed to do, namely provide a translation into English

Is it just Google Chrome that has a translation function then? If an article is in a foreign language then an automatic translation icon appears to get it into English.

 

[goldenecitrone]

sunny jim was merely doing what his handlers in the Kremlin CR himself had failed to do, namely provide a translation into English

CR doesn't need to translate these documents, being a fluent Russian speaker himself.

 

[sunny jim]

CR doesn't need to translate these documents, being a fluent Russian speaker himself.

You do know how much of a dick writing that makes you look?

 

[goldenecitrone]

You do know how much of a dick writing that makes you look?

It was a joke, you humourless arseflap.

 

[sunny jim]

It was a joke, you humourless arseflap.

Nearly as funny as calling you a CIA shill.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Nearly as funny as calling you a CIA shill.

You really are a bit of a clown yourself, aren't you?

 

[sunny jim]

You really are a bit of a clown, aren't you?

It was a joke you humourless arseflap.

 

[goldenecitrone]

P

It was a joke you humourless arseflap.

Shame you can't come up with your own material though, dumbo.

 

[Sirena]

Not exactly a conspiracy this. The US Embassy in Ukraine openly boasts of USAID pumping $1.8bn into the country for "democracy promotion" over the last 20 years.

(ETA: Huffington Post article on where the money is going)

Being open about what you're doing (bringing about regime change to suit your politics) does not make it right though. Israel is also quite happy that its (ex) military forces were also there to support the regime change.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577114

 

[sunny jim]

Shame you can't come up with your own material though, dumbo.

It was done on purpose, dumbo. To show up your ridiculousness.

 

[Lo Siento.]

Being open about what you're doing (bringing about regime change to suit your politics) does not make it right though. Israel is also quite happy that its (ex) military forces were also there to support the regime change.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577114

I'm not claiming it's right. In fact these kinds of intervention would be quite illegal in virtually any rich democracy (and certainly are in the United States)

 

[frogwoman]

Being open about what you're doing (bringing about regime change to suit your politics) does not make it right though. Israel is also quite happy that its (ex) military forces were also there to support the regime change.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.577114

Is there any evidence that Israel (as opposed to a few ex military commanders) supported what happened in Feb in any active way? I'm not saying you are wrong but a number of people have made that claim and I have yet to see any evidence for it.