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We can't be fair away from the Russian-Brightonian borg hivemind demanding intervention from Vladimir Hitler
likesfish
You can't park here sir
It will be blamed on the green council as usual
stowpirate
skinflintish camera nut
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borei-class_submarine
US has been funding Russia Nuclear Sub building
There's even a pagan one
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Are these autonomous oblasts? Or full on republics? Is there a difference? It is a Russian phenomenon.
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Google them.
The Chinese did something a little similar to what happened in the USSR, informed by Soviet nationalities policy, although no republics.
The Chinese did something a little similar to what happened in the USSR, informed by Soviet nationalities policy, although no republics.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Is Tibet an Autonomous Region?
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Proper republics descendents of the SSRs formed as a result of the nationalities policies as seventh bullet says and I'm serious about the pagan one as well.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
While sevastopol and Balaclava are...were... even autonomous from the rest of the Crimean republic .
nobody asked either the Crimean or Russian people for their consent much less opinion when Kruschev just tacked that bit of Russia onto Ukraine one day in the 1950s . While it didnt cause much alarm when they were part of the same USSR its a very different situation after the USSR collapsed . The sensible thing to have done would have been to assure its reunification with Russia prior to Ukrainian independence and the goalposts massively shifting . But then again Yeltsin was pissed most of the time and absolutely useless, wholly unfit for leadership .
Anyways the junta are going to be seriously out of pocket over this . The Russians paid Ukraine almost 100 million dollars pa for the lease on Sevastopol . Goodbye to that pretty hefty wedge for any bankrupt country . And the tax revenues from the trade with the thousands of soldiers . Plus the revenue from a very popular tourist resort, wine region...bye bye .
That leaves them even more dependent for revenue than before on the increasingly restive industrial and agricultural belts to the east and south. Which have strong pro Russian sentiment and which certainly didnt vote for what the junta stands for . And whose industries and agri commerce are largely tied to Russia , dependent on them for trade, favoured tax status and discounted energy . People who know very well theyll be financially ruined in any future EU deal they rejected, by a coup government they never voted for, who have binned their language and more besides . And who on top of all that ruination will also be imposing IMF austerity along with it .People who are probably well aware by now that one of the oligarchs appointed by Kiev to rule over them has stated on his facebook page that there should be all sorts of reassurances and guarantees today to secure compliance and then hangings tomorrow .
Already the people in those regions have started blocking the roads and train lines to turn back the Ukrainian army that Kiev have sent on manouvres along the Crimean border and parts of the south and east . Thankfully the Ukrainian army seem only too happy to be turned back and dont seem to want confrontation with anyone ,neither the Russians nor their own population, despite ratface world bank twat in Kievs posturing . But nontheless it seems pretty clear that the coup will have to engage in pretty widespread and sustained repression of the population if they are to have even a hope of prolonging their own existence . Which I believe to be unsustainable long and even medium term . I think theres a very good chance that cabal will eventually collapse . Theyll have to suppress the regions, as well as their own support base in the west when the realities of bankruptcy, inability to pay gas bills, loss of Crimean revenue, economic reliance on Russia as well as EU and IMF imposed austerity all kick in . The repercussions for the ordinary Ukrainian will just be savage and therell be no end of it in sight .
Which leads us to the tools of repression and the reality of that in an emerging fascist state . Ill return to that bit a propos .
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
Is someone paying you to do this?
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Anyways, tools of fascist repression . The new Secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council is straight from the Maidan barricades, Andriy Parubiy . Back in the day he co founded the amusingly titled National Social Party of Ukraine ..ha ha ha..along with Svoboda leaderTyanhybok . He was also the leader of the neo nazi parties openly paramilitary outfit , the patriots of Ukraine.
Little Youtube vid of these nice guys and gals here
Then ,ambitious sod that he is he got co opted into the more mainstream. But remains a committed Banderist and a nazi at heart . So, the junta have put him at the top of the security tree after he proved his usefulness in directing many of the fascist mobs riot and burning sprees around the Maidan.
His latest enterprise appears to be the founding of a new state sponsored paramilitary outfit, the Ukrainian National Guard . Who are basically going to be a full time and part time paramilitary force, trained, armed and paid by the junta to protect Ukraine against its enemies . As that patently isnt going to be the Russian Army, its going to be the Ukrainian people . The Berkut are disbanded, the police demoralised and often much too ethnically impure and suspect . The National Guard are going to be the guys who keep people in their place, conduct arrests, suppress demos and so forth .
Convictions will be easily secured because theyve sacked , unconstitutionally, a lot of the previous judges and replaced them with their pet ones. The newly appointed Prosecutor General is a fascist, a leader of Svoboda. And even they know if they dont play ball theyll have a visit from Svoboda and the Right Sector , be threatened with guns, slapped around and humiliated and forced to resign as a traitor . As the poorly publicised videos have proven is the fate of any clerks or officals that incur the fashes displeasure .
Heres an article on the National Guards formation here, which is heavily sanitised but at least gives a flavour of how the people they will be used against think of them . What the article doesnt point out that is the 2 people killed in Karkhiv during unrest were demonstrators who were attacked by right Sector members, first gassing them and then shooting 2 of them dead and injuring 14 others with automatic gunfire as they defended themselves . And that the right sector will be at the heart of this state sponsored fascist goon squad . Basically it will be similar to the UDR in Ireland, which was chock full of loyalist paramilitaries who got paid and armed to patrol the streets by the British army . Or Roehms SA
http://www.voanews.com/content/ukraines-new-force-seeks-to-harness-maidan-spirit/1874685.html
Neo Nazi paramilitary leader Dmitry Yarosh is also going to be one of its top dogs . And this post from a Lviv information site just prior to the coups installation and the National Guards formation pretty much outlines the National Guards purpose from Yaroshes point of view . It seems pretty much to have been his brainchild from before Yanukovich was even overthrown .
the head of All-Ukrainian Organization "Stepan Bandera Tryzub (Trident)" Dmitry Yarosh, a spokesman for the Right Sector, announced the algorithm of Revolution on his page in the social network Facebook and said that after the creation of revolutionary police, preparations for arrests would start.
He said it was necessary to maintain the perimeter of Maidan and strengthen defense positions. Moreover, it is necessary to continue to recruit volunteers, to structure and prepare self-defense forces and the Right Sector in order to convert them into the structures of revolutionary National Guard, security and police.
He also added that activities of the opposition trio proved ineffective, that is why the number of people who make decisions on Maidan is to be increased: "I see something like this: Andrei Parubiy, Vitali Klitschko, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Oleg Tyagnibok, Yuriy Lutsenko, Viktor Baloha, Lesya Orobets, Anatoly Gritsenko, a representative of the Right Sector, and may be someone else".
The Right Sector was able to give a new impetus to the revolution and approach the victory day. Some people try again to decrease its pace. This can not be allowed. Yanukovych fears only force ... blood of heroes of the revolution should not be shed in vain! Together - to victory", said Dmitry Yarosh
http://galinfo.com.ua/news/152157.html
A report I read on RT also states the new National Guard will not only form the basis for an internal intelligence service but that some of its members will perform a commissar like political and ideological function among the regular Ukrainian armed forces. And they will have the power to dismiss any Ukrainian security official who fails to carry out orders .
I was watching a TV report this morning that showed a journalist ringing up one of its recruitment centres and enquiring about membership . He was told right away what the pay was going to be, in dollars . Which is doubly interesting because quite a few reports Ive seen have made clear the Ukrainian army and navy havent been paid in a while , 2 months according to some, with the state being bankrupt and unable to even pay its gas bills . Which would suggest the western funding is being chanelled straight into this new paramilitary and fascist force .
Little Youtube vid of these nice guys and gals here
Then ,ambitious sod that he is he got co opted into the more mainstream. But remains a committed Banderist and a nazi at heart . So, the junta have put him at the top of the security tree after he proved his usefulness in directing many of the fascist mobs riot and burning sprees around the Maidan.
His latest enterprise appears to be the founding of a new state sponsored paramilitary outfit, the Ukrainian National Guard . Who are basically going to be a full time and part time paramilitary force, trained, armed and paid by the junta to protect Ukraine against its enemies . As that patently isnt going to be the Russian Army, its going to be the Ukrainian people . The Berkut are disbanded, the police demoralised and often much too ethnically impure and suspect . The National Guard are going to be the guys who keep people in their place, conduct arrests, suppress demos and so forth .
Convictions will be easily secured because theyve sacked , unconstitutionally, a lot of the previous judges and replaced them with their pet ones. The newly appointed Prosecutor General is a fascist, a leader of Svoboda. And even they know if they dont play ball theyll have a visit from Svoboda and the Right Sector , be threatened with guns, slapped around and humiliated and forced to resign as a traitor . As the poorly publicised videos have proven is the fate of any clerks or officals that incur the fashes displeasure .
Heres an article on the National Guards formation here, which is heavily sanitised but at least gives a flavour of how the people they will be used against think of them . What the article doesnt point out that is the 2 people killed in Karkhiv during unrest were demonstrators who were attacked by right Sector members, first gassing them and then shooting 2 of them dead and injuring 14 others with automatic gunfire as they defended themselves . And that the right sector will be at the heart of this state sponsored fascist goon squad . Basically it will be similar to the UDR in Ireland, which was chock full of loyalist paramilitaries who got paid and armed to patrol the streets by the British army . Or Roehms SA
http://www.voanews.com/content/ukraines-new-force-seeks-to-harness-maidan-spirit/1874685.html
Neo Nazi paramilitary leader Dmitry Yarosh is also going to be one of its top dogs . And this post from a Lviv information site just prior to the coups installation and the National Guards formation pretty much outlines the National Guards purpose from Yaroshes point of view . It seems pretty much to have been his brainchild from before Yanukovich was even overthrown .
the head of All-Ukrainian Organization "Stepan Bandera Tryzub (Trident)" Dmitry Yarosh, a spokesman for the Right Sector, announced the algorithm of Revolution on his page in the social network Facebook and said that after the creation of revolutionary police, preparations for arrests would start.
He said it was necessary to maintain the perimeter of Maidan and strengthen defense positions. Moreover, it is necessary to continue to recruit volunteers, to structure and prepare self-defense forces and the Right Sector in order to convert them into the structures of revolutionary National Guard, security and police.
He also added that activities of the opposition trio proved ineffective, that is why the number of people who make decisions on Maidan is to be increased: "I see something like this: Andrei Parubiy, Vitali Klitschko, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Oleg Tyagnibok, Yuriy Lutsenko, Viktor Baloha, Lesya Orobets, Anatoly Gritsenko, a representative of the Right Sector, and may be someone else".
The Right Sector was able to give a new impetus to the revolution and approach the victory day. Some people try again to decrease its pace. This can not be allowed. Yanukovych fears only force ... blood of heroes of the revolution should not be shed in vain! Together - to victory", said Dmitry Yarosh
http://galinfo.com.ua/news/152157.html
A report I read on RT also states the new National Guard will not only form the basis for an internal intelligence service but that some of its members will perform a commissar like political and ideological function among the regular Ukrainian armed forces. And they will have the power to dismiss any Ukrainian security official who fails to carry out orders .
I was watching a TV report this morning that showed a journalist ringing up one of its recruitment centres and enquiring about membership . He was told right away what the pay was going to be, in dollars . Which is doubly interesting because quite a few reports Ive seen have made clear the Ukrainian army and navy havent been paid in a while , 2 months according to some, with the state being bankrupt and unable to even pay its gas bills . Which would suggest the western funding is being chanelled straight into this new paramilitary and fascist force .
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
if i give you a tenner will you fuck off ?
seventh bullet
sovietwave
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
at least this has solved the problem of the boneheads raiding arms depots, they just give them machine guns now instead
classicdish
Well-Known Member
Good thing they have scheduled and election for 25th May then isn't it?
Unless Putin has some kind of plans for Ukraine before then?
(ps. "Junta" means a military-run government doesn't it? Which is not what Ukraine has atm is it?)
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
yeah theyve scheduled an election while arming their goons to the teeth and sending them out on the streets and openly beating up the head of the state tv and forcing him to resign for airing stuff they disagree with . While armed gangs are marching into local councils and telling politicians to resign, and securing those resignations at the point of a gun . Such an elections a complete joke, even by Ukrainian standards . The fash are now the main state security service . Anyone who disagrees with them is a traitor to Ukraine, an internal occupier as Yarosh..a security cheif now. explains . And then basically a criminal .
fuck off with your fascist elections .
classicdish
Well-Known Member
Someone has a short haircut
(and wearing government issue black military jacket: see here at 0:32
).
Wow they must be fascist!
Also any actual *evidence* that this is anything other than an army reserve force? Or is this just yet more of your stream-of-consciousness make-it-all-up-as-rt.com-go-along shtick?
classicdish
Well-Known Member
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Someone has a short haircut
(and wearing government issue black military jacket: see here at 0:32
).
Wow they must be fascist!
Also any actual *evidence* that this is anything other than an army reserve force? Or is this just yet more of your stream-of-consciousness make-it-all-up-as-rt.com-go-along shtick?
Ive posted the direct link to one of its leaders, neo nazi Dimitri Yarosh, calling for its formation and spelling out its precise future role . Its creation has been announced by fellow nazi and internal security cheif Parubiy . Its leaders are unabashed and unashamed neo nazi Banderists. Its perfectly clear that this unified force is were the disparate fascist groups are being routed, trained, armed and paid .
And thats not a short haircut . I have a short haircut . Its a fucking skinhead and youre a fash apologist tring to dance on the head of a pin insisting neo nazis arent neo nazis . And boneheads are just people with short hair . Or is it Alopecia ?
save that one, it might come in handy .
classicdish
Well-Known Member
Casually Red
No you haven't shown this is anything other than an army reserve.
You always do this - rant on and on but underneath it all it's hot air, lies and bullshit.
"Its a fucking skinhead"
Is that your best analaysis?
You are not much better than fascist yourself, although I'm not really sure what the best word to describe you is. Anyone got any suggestions?
No you haven't shown this is anything other than an army reserve.
You always do this - rant on and on but underneath it all it's hot air, lies and bullshit.
"Its a fucking skinhead"
Is that your best analaysis?
You are not much better than fascist yourself, although I'm not really sure what the best word to describe you is. Anyone got any suggestions?
What are you on about now? Save what?
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goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
He's a sectarian bigot who hates muslims, gay people and women. And spends his leisure time wanking off to Middle-East atrocity porn and Nazi videos. Scum, basically.
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/feb/07/hacked-emails-nashi-putin-bloggers
It has crossed my mind a few times in the past.
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
So by your keen analysis I'm a fascist aswell! You really are a fucking idiot I hope you are getting a decent payment for this because I have to admit you do put the effort in.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
That would be to overestimate this board's importance. We might like to think we're like this:
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
You would be surprised at what is deemed important by some.
I have some circumstantial evidence that my laptop has been taken apart and the contents of my hard drive copied on more than one occasion, although why anyone would be interested in my porn collection is beyond me. Russian's are strange like that.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
So turns out Casually Red was KGB all along?
No, he just wanted a peek at Fuchs66's "gentleman's gallery".
Fuchs66
Ring a ding
Pfffft he isn't in the same league as the ones that do the peeking
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