Eastern-Odyssey
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Yes but Zbigniew B book the "The Grand Chessboard" is still the cornerstone of US geopolitical strategy.
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Yes but Zbigniew B book the "The Grand Chessboard" is still the cornerstone of US geopolitical strategy.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Probably makes more practical sense than that Alexander Dugin blokes scribblings, who I seriously doubt anyone in Russia takes seriously. Russian officers probably just like that 8 pointed star symbol because it looks scary.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I assumed he had retreated to his compound to brood and plot after that thing with the IRS.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Most sniper units in the Russian military don't use SVDs (Dragunovs) exclusively anymore. They fit the rifle to the job, so carrying something that "didn't look Russian" indicates nothing except someone using a weapon appropriate to a job.
Bear in mind too, how popular game hunting is throughout Ukraine, Poland and Russia. Many hunters own rifles that might, to your eyes, look like a "modern military snipe rifle", especially as (unlike in the UK) they don't have a magazine-capacity limitation for hunting rifles, or a limit on how powerful your scope is.
Eastern-Odyssey
Active Member
Well not really unless you think John McCain has any valuable input other than pushing pro-Washington propaganda. Isn't that the same thing Russian TV is using Lyndon Larouche for pushing anti-Washington propaganda, propaganda's the same no matter the background of the person spouting it. Another thing is Russia has a problem with finding pro-Russian, anti-American propagandists unlike the West to promote their foreign policy, they tend to fall into the category of the resident nut job libertarian conspiracy theorists like Lyndon Larouche. However, Lyndon Larouche maybe a barking mad but his relevantly sane compared to some of the nut jobs on US TV.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Part of propaganda is the standing of the person you're pushing it through or allowing to push that propaganda - McCain means something (whether you agree with his propaganda or its aims or not) - he speaks for a vocal and aggressive section of the US state foreign policy managers. Larouche means nothing (again, whether you agree with him or not) beyond that that those putting him on their news programs are desperate. There is no equivalence whatsoever and to argue that there is is to drop right into fantasy.
Oh, and look who we find there, loving and living the fantasy - hello camo!
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
OK, fair enough. Your reading habits are still a bit 'far out' though.
Regarding Lyndon Larouche, his cult always has a stall on Friederichstrasse whenever I'm in Berlin.
There was also some TV evangelist who shared a jail cell with Larouche and claimed that he seemed to be linked into networks with a lot of inside information.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
The Russians having inferior fire-power in the propaganda stakes does not mean it is not an artillery duel.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
See, fantasy world of inter-galactic battles and space dragons.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
to add slightly to ViolentPanda's point, i think i'm right in saying that the majority of civilian rifles now sold look a lot more 'military' than the traditional wooden hunting rifles - they have synthetic furniture thats often black/grey/green, they often have picatinny rails for added extras - stick an entirely legal magazine on it and, viola, you have a 'military' sniping rifle.
have a brouse through this lot - all legal in the UK, so christ knows what you can buy in Ukraine... http://www.sportsmanguncentre.co.uk/category/Guns/Rifle_1/
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
What do you mean by this, I've not mentioned reading anything in particular. I read Tragedy & Hope once, is that what you mean?
Eastern-Odyssey
Active Member
But how many Russian's do you think know who he is? actually there not even many Westerners who know who he is. I would say outside of any Russian who studies international relations, or US foreign policy most Russian would have no fucking idea, quite the same way as the BBC putting Russian nut job to promote Western interests. His there to serve a purpose to promote Russian foreign policy and support Kremlin propaganda and for that reason in the eyes of the average Russian his just another political pundit promoting Russian interests.
One of the worlds greatest opportunist's.
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gaslit at scale.
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Lots of hunting rifles chambered for .308 in Ukraine too. Perfect for intermediate range high-accuracy work, like killing a deer or a person.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Doesn't look like a silencer, looks like a muzzle brake.
rekil
to menny cranks
I blundered into one of their fairly large demos there about 10 years ago. The crowd was mostly very young.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There are some claims that it's been established that the wounds were consistent with 7.62mm ammo being used.
The Devil is in the detail, though. The bullet (the bit that actually leaves the rifle when you fire it) for 7.62 x 54mm ammo cartridges (as used by Dragunov sniper rifles) is also used by any hunting rifle chambered for .308/7.62 x 51mm, so any claims as to who-shot-who on the basis of bullet wounds is a load of balls.
Johnny Canuck3
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No question that having spent some time as an enlisted man will bring with it some knowledge of some aspects of some things military. On occasion, though, one runs across a Vet who holds forth on all aspects of military affairs past present and future, including strategy history logistics etc as if in possession of degrees from Sandhurst, Dartmouth, a stint at Andover and as a Regimental Sergeant Major; plus time spent as a member of the Parliamentary Defence Select Committee.The difference being that some of us have a modicum of military experience, and may even have been "educated" by the military during a time when such weapons were prevalent.
You, on the other hand, have Google.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
No question that having spent some time as an enlisted man will bring with it some knowledge of some aspects of some things military. On occasion, though, one runs across a Vet who holds forth on all aspects of military affairs past present and future, including strategy history logistics etc as if in possession of degrees from Sandhurst, Dartmouth, a stint at Andover and as a Regimental Sergeant Major; plus time spent as a member of the Parliamentary Defence Select Committee.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
perhaps we just train our people better than you...
I'm getting bored with you excellent information gathering/analysis (I hope some of you have gone to bed during this) so I'm going to forecast future events *rubs balls*:
There won't be a war.
Crimea will become part of Russia, but not other bits.
US, UK and EU will negotiate the above in some form of treaty and claim success.
Ukrainian economy will stagnate/tank.
Foreign investment will purchase (more of) Ukraine's assets, grain production, gas production.
Business as usual.
Timeframe 3 to 6 months.
If I'm correct you all owe me £1k each and by reading this post you agree to pay me.
There won't be a war.
Crimea will become part of Russia, but not other bits.
US, UK and EU will negotiate the above in some form of treaty and claim success.
Ukrainian economy will stagnate/tank.
Foreign investment will purchase (more of) Ukraine's assets, grain production, gas production.
Business as usual.
Timeframe 3 to 6 months.
If I'm correct you all owe me £1k each and by reading this post you agree to pay me.
Johnny Canuck3
Well-Known Member
perhaps we just train our people better than you...
Not to mention we don't have anything remotely close to a Pion.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Not to mention we don't have anything remotely close to a Pion.
lucky for you - they're a death trap. your M777's are vastly better.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Apols if it's addressed earlier in the thread, I read 30 pages, but still catching up on the rest.
Does anyone know where the pro Russian militias came from? Are they just ethnic Russians who happened to have guns lying around, were they an organised vigilante- or crime?- group before the current turmoil? Had they been formed/armed etc by the Russian state in preparation for this sort of unrest? Intrigued as they appear to be armed, organised and in some cases uniformed, and to be following some sort of command structure (impression based in news stories that mention them in passing and twitter/Facebook updates- again, all mention them in passing)
Does anyone know where the pro Russian militias came from? Are they just ethnic Russians who happened to have guns lying around, were they an organised vigilante- or crime?- group before the current turmoil? Had they been formed/armed etc by the Russian state in preparation for this sort of unrest? Intrigued as they appear to be armed, organised and in some cases uniformed, and to be following some sort of command structure (impression based in news stories that mention them in passing and twitter/Facebook updates- again, all mention them in passing)
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I can see this happening, too. Plus the IMF will bail out the rest of Ukraine and insist on widespread cuts in public services and privatisation of state-owned resources.
Ukraine in NATO might be very touchy, though.
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