butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What makes you say 'The neo-cons have got their preferred Prime Minister'?
Ukraine
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littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
The neo-cons' preferred leader is one who will allow the IMF to impose austerity, no?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The current PM has been talking about re-nationalisations and in fact made his name through opposing privatisations. The IMF have through past deals tried to impose privatisations and the state has failed to impose them each and every time, backing off after widespread protests. Look at the history of the country since the rather similar 1994 crisis. A lot of the pressure for the privatisations that did go through was actually from the Russian state and capital.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
See above, and neo-cons and the IMF are not the same thing.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I seriously doubt Russia will tolerate Nato in Ukraine though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i always thought russia should have applied for membership of the eu and nato, if only to chuck a spanner in the western imperialist works.
i fear putin's left it a bit late now though.
i fear putin's left it a bit late now though.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
The neo-con interest here is the atavistic focus on Russia as the Sovjets and lets bring back the good old Cold War etc, the neo-lib interest is in terms of the economics of social pillaging and corporate feudalism etc. That's how it seems to me.
Eta meant the above to littlebabyjesus
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So you mean expansive russian state neo-liberalism too then?
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I meant the US strain, I've not seen a Russian version gobble down and shit out whole nations yet.
1%er
Well-Known Member
If treated as an equal, Russia might eventually join NATO said Acting President Putin (in March 2000)i always thought russia should have applied for membership of the eu and nato, if only to chuck a spanner in the western imperialist works.
i fear putin's left it a bit late now though.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes of course. Your one eye gives you excellent vision.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If treated as an equal, Russia might eventually join NATO said Acting President Putin (in March 2000)
ie never.
NATO is an alliance of unequals: the US and everyone else.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Russia is some sort of benevolent state that would never be bad and howible to anyone... put it this way:
As I sat there in the pub, I saw one big nasty looking bloke with a bear tattoo sitting there enjoying a quiet drink and reading The Sun, when another big nasty looking bloke wearing a red-and-white striped hat marched up and glassed the first fella in the face. That's when this scrap started. I have merely been pointing out that the bloke in the stripey hat started it, that's all. Not recommending anyone in this thing as a good parent or a gentle lover or nothing.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
JR- sorry, CR - I think we'll all chip in & let you spend the weekend here at our expense:
A panoramic view of Bluewater Shopping Centre at dusk - you can just make out CR entering the cornucopia after a hard day at the keyboard on the urban 'Ukraine' thread
CR, you need to chill out a lil, clear your head.
take yourself off to fuck you prick
SpineyNorman
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That's one of the worst analogies I've ever seen. In what way did the US 'glass' Russia? EU and US Meddling has been in the Ukraine - and unless you think that's Russian territory (which would be a little bit imperialism) your bloke in a pub analysis is somewhat flawed.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
I dont doubt for a second many if not all those paramilitaries are Russian, and most likely Spetznaz . But they can easily get around that by saying they donated vehicles at the request of the Crimean parliament, which openly requested humanitarian and financial aid from Russia. Vehicles are merely non lethal assistance donated during a crisis after an urgent request , militia are Russian speaking Crimeans, Russian volunteers etc etc . They can plausibly deny with a straight face.
Many Ukrainian troops wear that as well , so more plausible deniality.
Eastern-Odyssey
Active Member
Dmitry Jorosz leader of Right Sector is now going to run for president in March announced on 1+1
In other news Anton Shekhovtsov is on Democracy Now. Part two's really interesting in which he talks about the dangerous expansionism of Putin's Eurasion movement and how if the West doesn't help Ukraine, a new nuclear arms race will commence.
In other news Anton Shekhovtsov is on Democracy Now. Part two's really interesting in which he talks about the dangerous expansionism of Putin's Eurasion movement and how if the West doesn't help Ukraine, a new nuclear arms race will commence.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
I agree it's a terrible analogy. Slaps own wrist and has a serious think about what I've done.
camouflage
gaslit at scale.
Democracy Now eh. Figures.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
what she told him prompted him to phone Ashton, you fucking arsehole. Now fuck off with your requests. Stick them up your hole.
are we ? you sound like a fucking robot
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
No question that having spent some time as an enlisted man will bring with it some knowledge of some aspects of some things military. On occasion, though, one runs across a Vet who holds forth on all aspects of military affairs past present and future, including strategy history logistics etc as if in possession of degrees from Sandhurst, Dartmouth, a stint at Andover and as a Regimental Sergeant Major; plus time spent as a member of the Parliamentary Defence Select Committee.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Strategy, history and logistics were staples of the British army's "Junior Leader" programme for more than 2 decades, Johnny. Just ask Mr.Bishie , who IIRC did the same programme about 10 years after I did.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
t2 comes after t1, not before: you need some more sleep - or take us up on our offer of a chill-out at Bluewater.
P.S. Efficient robots are logical - as efficient humans are.
P.P.S. What's the latest on Blackwater? Any coups planned? Assassinations? Bombings? What about frogmen with limpet mines, like something out of the 'Victor'?
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Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
My guess is they were Spetznaz, originally . But soon theyll fade away to be replaced by defected Rusian Ukrainian troops, Berkut and other Crimeans once thats properly organised . In identical gear and with the vehicles handed to them. And when thats all sorted Russia will say told you so, they werent our guys.
The massive hype about 16000 troops and tanks rolling in was clearly a load of rubbish . All these small groups of paramilitaries have really done is tell the Ukrainian troops not to be silly boys and just stay in their bases . Preventing the Kiev crowd from using them to suppress the Crimean parliament . And station themselves in small groups outside bases, airport and the parliament. There doesnt even seem to be large numbers of them . There was barely 30 of them outside the Crimean parliament by the looks of things.
Their heaviest weapon seemed to be what they unofficially represented and the implied threat that went with that .
If Putin ever actually orders Russian troops in proper that will be pretty much unmistakable imho . It wont be subtle and therell be nothing implied. It will be absolutely fuck off in traditional Russian fashion , not a few sinister groups in balaclavas .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Im sorry, you appear to be directing more requests in my direction as opposed to up your own anus. You might want to sort that out .
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
It will mean the United states missiles yet again right on Russias border, the noose around Russias neck being tightened . The United States went to the brink of nuclear war over Russian missiles stationed in Cuba, naval blockades and all sorts . Russias being quite restrained in comparison .
RosyFuture
will baser instincts win out?
The new website, dream deferred, had a good article on antifa in UA the other day (thanks to J Ed for the link).
However the site hasn't received universal acclaim, partly coz of one of its originators. In fact a protest poem has been penned for borrowing Langston Hughes' phrase:
http://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/the-dream-is-not-deferred/
However the site hasn't received universal acclaim, partly coz of one of its originators. In fact a protest poem has been penned for borrowing Langston Hughes' phrase:
http://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2014/03/04/the-dream-is-not-deferred/
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Ukraine..or whats left of it mightnt continue . Without the eastern industrial belt theyre fucked . Even with it , without Russian gas discounts for the energy that runs them those industries will collapse. As they will without a Russian market and tax waivers for their products, which will happen if they join the EU . Which the Junta are determined to do .
And the eastern regions seem to be intent on maximum seperation from Kiev . Because theyre going to be economicaly destroyed if Kievs agenda triumphs , as well as being subject to massive austerity alongside that ruination. And thats before all the fascist and ultra nationalist stuff theyll have to deal with . Kiev needs them, they certainly dont need Kiev or western Ukraine . Or the EU for that matter .
