tube party on june 1st?

[laptop]

Bluestreak -

If one were to organise a proper protest, it wouldn't be about the drinking ban, would it?


A two-fingers entirely non-serious party seems like exactly the proper response.


And I don't much care, given that, whether it's properly defiant, on the day before or the day after the notional ban.


Now, on the day in the autumn when it will actually become illegal to drink on the Underground (see Times link several pages back)...


Nah. Can't be arsed.

 

[ajdown]

Seriously though, educate me here, wouldnt you feel guilty if someone had been killed at this party if you had promoted it?

Control was lost and this became a distinct possibility once it was 'open to all'.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

The message needs to get out somehow, don't you think. If you called a protest on facebook, no-one would come. You obviously think I'm missing something, what would you think would be a good move?

Secret messages on lolly-pop sticks

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The message needs to get out somehow, don't you think. If you called a protest on facebook, no-one would come. You obviously think I'm missing something, what would you think would be a good move?

No, what, if you say something on Facebook clearly lots of people _do_ attend. I think this proves it. Handing out pamphlets at the scene might be interesting but surely you can see the irony there between concepts of what a protest should look like? It's not just me, is it?

 

[the button]

Secret messages on lolly-pop sticks

 

[scifisam]

Thing is, I didn't have the impression that these tube parties were intended as protests. They were intended as parties, saying goodbye to drinking on the tube. So I'm not sure that there's any point in criticising their lack of political content.

 

[editor]

Seriously though, educate me here, wouldnt you feel guilty if someone had been killed at this party if you had promoted it?

Strawman of the week!

I'd feel guilty if someone had been killed at a house party I'd promoted. In fact, I'd feel guilty if someone had been killed at a picnic I'd promoted. Or a tea'n'cakes afternoon.

Pissed people get on the tube every day and night of the week and this new law won't make the slightest, remotest tot of fucking difference.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I would have thought the protest would be to do it tonight or in the future.

As sam said, last night was a farewell party surely?

 

[Xanadu]

I would have thought the protest would be to do it tonight or in the future.

As sam said, last night was a farewell party surely?

Think it's been said by a couple of people. But I agree.

 

[Citizen66]

This is what I imagine hell to be like.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z_fhfTObqmw&feature=related

that video is over two years old

Hell isn't a new concept.

 

[Citizen66]

Sorry to be on the side of the 'Daily Mail' brigade, but this party has been massively counter productive and hasn't helped your 'cause' one little bit........

Meanwhile, in Oswald's carriage...

 

[mk12]

One of the seven gates of Hell

Good clean fun?

And who is going to have to clean that up? Not Boris.

Well done though. I hope you all had fun.

 

[Xanadu]

That's what the tube always looks like on a friday/saturday night

 

[editor]

I wonder if the Mail/Standard will be kicking up a fuss about the fucking mess made by their own shitty free newspapers that are dumped all over trains every single day?

 

[Citizen66]

And who is going to have to clean that up? Not Boris.

Well done though. I hope you all had fun.

You think tube carriages don't look like that on any other day of the week?

If you're going to tut-tut at everyone then at least know what the fuck you're talking about.

That's what the tube always looks like on a friday/saturday night

Beat me to it.

 

[cesare]

I'm completely against this ridiculous PR driven quick win 'ban' (that can't be enforced - hah hah - and isn't even 'law' yet) but I never had any intention of and didn't join that PARTAAAAAAY.

I'm a bit more inclined to concentrate on what he slides in virtually without notice tbh, e.g. cockers' allegation that he's taking away travel concessions from the disadvantaged.

 

[emanymton]

I think people are being to literal on Boris's ban. Personally I believe its a tactic to wrest control of the tube off the unions.

Flagging this up again as I would appreciate more detail on this point. I don’t see how the drinking ban can be about the Unions (apart from making their members jobs harder) but maybe there is something I don’t know

 

[emanymton]

That's what the tube always looks like on a friday/saturday night

I find the mess quite shocking, I would have imagined it to be worse.

 

[emanymton]

i'm happier now with how it turned out than i thought i would. Reports suggest that people actually fought back against the police in places. This is good.

Is it?

Rangers fans in Manchester thought back against police recently was that a good thing?

The far right sometimes fight back against the police is that a good thing?

I’ll always support people fighting back against the police as part of real and progressive protest but don’t think we can automatically assume that people fighting back against the police is a good thing.* Can we be certain that the people attacking the police are not the same people who attacked and abused London Underground staff?

*Well it’s a good thing in that it’s something of a win win situation as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Gixxer1000]

Pissed people get on the tube every day and night of the week and this new law won't make the slightest, remotest tot of fucking difference.

Where have I said anything different In fact I agree with you.

But the point is people actively encouraging drinking on overcrowded platforms is irresponsible.

 

[Gixxer1000]

Flagging this up again as I would appreciate more detail on this point. I don’t see how the drinking ban can be about the Unions (apart from making their members jobs harder) but maybe there is something I don’t know

Its been reputed that there used to be a drinking culture. IIRC some years ago Panorama highlighted the case of evidence of drinking on site- in one case, despite lots of empty tinnies being found nothing could be proved.
TBH Ive no idea if this is (or ever was) the case, in fact I very much doubt it. Im just very cynical.

 

[jæd]

But the point is people actively encouraging drinking on overcrowded platforms is irresponsible.

Yes... I was quite surprised that one of the free papers had a headline about the party on Saturday... I wonder what would've happened if someone fell off a platform.

I think that this party was set up to fail from the start. There's no litter bins or toilets on the tube, so even the most respectable party would be hard-pressed to avoid littering.

I also think that the promotion of the party by the free papers may of (intentionally or otherwise) increased numbers. Hardly mainstream behavior on a summer Saturday night to hed down the Tube and stay there... Can't see much chance or relaxing this bye-law now.

 

[Spymaster]

I wonder if the Mail/Standard will be kicking up a fuss about the fucking mess made by their own shitty free newspapers that are dumped all over trains every single day?

Strawman of the week.

 

[mk12]

That's what the tube always looks like on a friday/saturday night

That's alright then.

 

[Spymaster]

Pissed people get on the tube every day and night of the week and this new law won't make the slightest, remotest tot of fucking difference.

It'll prevent people stinking up carriages with cans of beer and it'll stop alcohol being wafted and spilled under the noses of those who'd rather not be anywhere near it.

There are many, many people in our society who do not drink alcohol, why should they be forced into contact with those that do?

Why the fuck should I have to smell your beer just because you got onto the same tube train as me? Fair enough if I'd walked into a pub or your home but this is a confined public space.

How about I sit next to you and fart throughout the journey or eat a chicken Madras?

You have a right to certain freedoms, but you have no right to impinge on mine.

Excellent law, round 1 to Boris.

 

[detective-boy]

All the idiots have done is ...

... demonstrate the shallow, self-centred, pathetic, "let's paaarty!", fuckwittery of huge swathes of the great British public ...

How much more powerful would pictures of carriages full of people sitting quietly sipping from cans and bottles have been ...

 

[Kanda]

Anyone remember when you could smoke on the tube?!!

 

[gabi]

Anyone remember when you could smoke on the tube?!!

Jesus How long ago was that?

I vaguely recall my old man smoking away on a longhaul flight from NZ to LA when i was a kid. Seems unreal now. The air stewards from those days must have suffered.

 

[Onket]

A few posters are starting to sound a bit "it was cool before everyone started doing it".

 

[jæd]

... demonstrate the shallow, self-centred, pathetic, "let's paaarty!", fuckwittery of huge swathes of the great British public ...

How much more powerful would pictures of carriages full of people sitting quietly sipping from cans and bottles have been ...

If there hadn't been any party due to people wanting to demonstrate their "rights" then after a few years there might have been a relaxation. Unlikely now...