tube party on june 1st?

[editor]

It'll prevent people stinking up carriages with cans of beer and it'll stop alcohol being wafted and spilled under the noses of those who'd rather not be anywhere near it.

So exactly how many times have you personally suffered "alcohol being wafted and spilled under your nose" on the tube?

You see, I've been getting the tube for 30 years now, and I'm having trouble recalling a single instance of someone spilling beer under my nose.

Personally, I'd rather be nowhere near small minded bigots, but being tolerant comes with living in a big city as does respecting other people's rights to enjoy a beer when it has zero impact on you.

Perhaps you should try that tolerance. Might do wonders for your blood pressure.

 

[detective-boy]

(b) Is it not the case that since J18 the Met takes the lead on public order situations in the City? Or pre-planned only?

No, there's always primacy by the senior officers from the City in terms of the overall strategy. Sometimes in operations which cross borders (e.g. MayDay) there will be Met primacy for the whole event, but there will always be City senior officers involved at the most senior level even then ... but only one person can be the actual event commander and, though that could in theory be anyone from any of the forces involved, the sheer size of the Met means it is usually one of theirs.

 

[Poi E]

It'll prevent people stinking up carriages with cans of beer and it'll stop alcohol being wafted and spilled under the noses of those who'd rather not be anywhere near it. .

Never noticed it to be much of a problem. The main smell is the body odour of drinkers and smokers and you can't ban that.

 

[jæd]

A few posters are starting to sound a bit "it was cool before everyone started doing it".

I think you'll notice that I pointed out that a while ago, and now everyone seems to be doing it.

 

[jæd]

Never noticed it to be much of a problem. The main smell is the body odour of drinkers and smokers and you can't ban that.

Why not...? Showers on each platform, and as you enter the station...

 

[Xanadu]

That's alright then.

Where the fuck did I say it was alright??? The mess caused by the party was exactly the same as that which the tube endures twice every week, thus highlighting it as a fault of the party is idiotic.

It was a shit party, but shit for reasons other than just the litter caused.

 

[detective-boy]

I wonder if the Mail/Standard will be kicking up a fuss about the fucking mess made by their own shitty free newspapers that are dumped all over trains every single day?

* WARNING: Breath retention can cause dizziness, coma and death and is not recommended. *

 

[Crispy]

* WARNING: Breath retention can cause dizziness, coma and death and is not recommended. *

 

[detective-boy]

I’ll always support people fighting back against the police as part of real and progressive protest but don’t think we can automatically assume that people fighting back against the police is a good thing.* Can we be certain that the people attacking the police are not the same people who attacked and abused London Underground staff?

*Well it’s a good thing in that it’s something of a win win situation as far as I’m concerned.

And your reason for discriminating between attacks on one category of person doing their job with attacks on another category of person doing their job is ... ?

(Clue: The word you are looking for has nine letters and begins with "P")

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I wonder if the Mail/Standard will be kicking up a fuss about the fucking mess made by their own shitty free newspapers that are dumped all over trains every single day?

You should send that picture to them and ask them

 

[detective-boy]

You should send that picture to them and ask them

Nah, don't send that one ... get one at the end of a line (e.g. Richmond) about 9.15am ... it's way, way, way worse than that!

 

[ajdown]

Where the fuck did I say it was alright??? The mess caused by the party was exactly the same as that which the tube endures twice every week, thus highlighting it as a fault of the party is idiotic.

It was a shit party, but shit for reasons other than just the litter caused.

Have you seen the mess that was left at Liverpool Street? Watch http://youtube.com/watch?v=PX_f8L-pgvA at about 50 seconds in when the line of police has cleared some of the concourse.

There is absolutely no excuse for that mess whatsoever.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Jesus How long ago was that?

I vaguely recall my old man smoking away on a longhaul flight from NZ to LA when i was a kid. Seems unreal now. The air stewards from those days must have suffered.

Before the King's Cross fire, I used to smoke on the tube.

After they banned it on the tube, they banned it on the buses

 

[bluestreak]

I think, in the end, what I've done here is decided that there should be a party to protest the rule-change. Then someone else has organised a party for the sake of it. So I've decided that they're motivated by the same things I am, but are going about it wrong. In the end, they're not. Like people keep telling me, it's not a protest, it was a party. As a party it was a great success.

In the end I'm criticising chips for not being pizza.

The fault was my own, I should have pulled my finger out and organised the protest I was on about when I started this thread.

 

[Spymaster]

So exactly how many times have you personally suffered "alcohol being wafted and spilled under your nose" on the tube?

Oooh let's see, I'd say there's been some thoughtless cunt merrily swigging away on about half of all Friday and Saturday night tubes I've ridden in the past 30 odd years. The smell of alcohol is always evident.

You see, I've been getting the tube for 30 years now, and I'm having trouble recalling a single instance of someone spilling beer under my nose.

Nice swerve, pick up the "spill" and forget the "waft"

Personally, I'd rather be nowhere near small minded bigots, but being tolerant comes with living in a big city as does respecting other people's rights to enjoy a beer when it has zero impact on you.

Many people, drinkers or otherwise, find the smell of alcohol unpleasant on public transport, therefore it does impact them.

So, ok if I fart purposely and continuously when I'm sitting next to you? How about that curry then?

Anyway it's banned soon.

Big win afaic.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Nah, don't send that one ... get one at the end of a line (e.g. Richmond) about 9.15am ... it's way, way, way worse than that!

You don't need to. Editor lives in Brixton. In fact, that picture is a pretty tidy carriage

 

[gabi]

Never noticed it to be much of a problem. The main smell is the body odour of drinkers and smokers and you can't ban that.

I think it would've sufficed to put up those 'Be considerate with smelly food' style posters if people really thought the smell (?!) of the booze is the problem.

Ludicrous that people can still legally get on with a box of Chicken Cottage but I can't sip on a can on the way to a gig. Fuckin boris.

 

[_angel_]

I think it would've sufficed to put up those 'Be considerate with smelly food' style posters if people really thought the smell (?!) of the booze is the problem.

Ludicrous that people can still legally get on with a box of Chicken Cottage but I can't sip on a can on the way to a gig. Fuckin boris.

You're not allowed to drink alcohol or eat hot (ie smelly) food on Leeds (and most places) buses.

Given how shoe horned in people are on the tube, a similar policy doesn't seem anything more than an extension of good manners.

Yeah, banning stuff isn't necessarily the way to go but I think people are making a big fuss about nothing.. how long do you actually spend on the tube anyway?

 

[Guineveretoo]

Before the King's Cross fire, I used to smoke on the tube.

After they banned it on the tube, they banned it on the buses

I used to be a smoker in those days, but always tried to avoid the smoking carriage on the tube because it was gross! On more than one occasion, when I had inadvertently got into that carriage, I changed carriages at the next stop!

As for drinking on the tube, I never thought about it, and have certainly never particularly noticed that people do it, although I have had a beer on an evening bus on my way to party at Offline or whatever, so that part of the ban is a bit of a blow.

I think Boris Johnson has missed the point in bringing in this ban, though, and I really don't think it is going to make any difference at all to the problem of drunkenness on public transport. I don't, however, think this party helped at all.

A well organised and peaceful protest party after the ban might have been effective, but I don't think Saturday's pandemonium helped at all, and has allowed Boris to claim some vindication for the ban!

 

[Guineveretoo]

I think, in the end, what I've done here is decided that there should be a party to protest the rule-change. Then someone else has organised a party for the sake of it. So I've decided that they're motivated by the same things I am, but are going about it wrong. In the end, they're not. Like people keep telling me, it's not a protest, it was a party. As a party it was a great success.

In the end I'm criticising chips for not being pizza.

Agreed.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I used to be a smoker in those days, but always tried to avoid the smoking carriage on the tube because it was gross! On more than one occasion, when I had inadvertently got into that carriage, I changed carriages at the next stop!

As for drinking on the tube, I never thought about it, and have certainly never particularly noticed that people do it, although I have had a beer on an evening bus on my way to party at Offline or whatever, so that part of the ban is a bit of a blow.

I think Boris Johnson has missed the point in bringing in this ban, though, and I really don't think it is going to make any difference at all to the problem of drunkenness on public transport. I don't, however, think this party helped at all.

A well organised and peaceful protest party after the ban might have been effective, but I don't think Saturday's pandemonium helped at all, and has allowed Boris to claim some vindication for the ban!

Yes, I sometimes did that. Had a ciggie first, then moved carriages. It's a good thing though that it was banned from tubes/buses and I don't think after King's Cross anyone was really in the mood to bother fighting against the ban

 

[Spymaster]

Given how shoe horned in people are on the tube, a similar policy doesn't seem anything more than an extension of good manners.

Agreed.

Yeah, banning stuff isn't necessarily the way to go but I think people are making a big fuss about nothing.. how long do you actually spend on the tube anyway

Unfortunately there are people, as evidenced by this thread who believe they have an absolute "right to enjoy a beer on the tube" regardless of others around them. These people absolutely cannot wait a few seconds until they're off the transport system before quaffing their ale. Poor fellows, maybe there's a market for "alchohol patches"????

It's these selfish gits that the legislation will take care of.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Agreed.



Unfortunately there are people, as evidenced by this thread who believe they have an absolute "right to enjoy a beer on the tube" regardless of others around them. These people absolutely cannot wait a few seconds until they're off the transport system before quaffing their ale. Poor fellows, maybe there's a market for "alchohol patches"????

It's the selfish gits that the legislation will take care of.

But this is not the reason that Boris went for the ban, is it?

Personally, I find the smell of alcohol first thing in the morning, when crammed up against someone's armpit when they have been drinking the night before, is the absolute worst, but there is no ban that can stop that.

Neither will the ban stop people who stink of alcohol and are drunk and obnoxious, from travelling on the tube.

I don't believe the ban was aimed at the few people who have a longer journey, and fancy a beer on the way in to a gig, as I was describing I sometimes used to do on the bus on the way to the JAMM for an offline.

I acknowledge that some people find the smell of alcohol offensive, and don't like watching people drinking it, but get over yourself, really! Do you not go to restaurants and cafés just in case someone has a beer?

 

[editor]

Yeah, banning stuff isn't necessarily the way to go but I think people are making a big fuss about nothing.. how long do you actually spend on the tube anyway?

I rarely drink on the tube, but I believe it's important to stand up to stupid, petty laws that unnecessarily restrict people's freedoms ad little pleasures. Thin edge of the web and all that...

You don't need to. Editor lives in Brixton. In fact, that picture is a pretty tidy carriage

Indeed. The carriages can look an absolute mess after a rush hour tube, with free papers all over the place.

Oooh let's see, I'd say there's been some thoughtless cunt merrily swigging away on about half of all Friday and Saturday night tubes I've ridden in the past 30 odd years.

So they're "thoughtless" because your apparently hyper sensitive nose can pick up the smell of the lager in their can, even if they're nowhere near you?

So what about people travelling home from the pub? They're more likely to smell of alcohol. And smokers? They can whiff a bit too. And workmen! They can hum a bit after a hard day's graft. Do you want them all banned too?

 

[ajdown]

Unfortunately there are people, as evidenced by this thread who believe they have an absolute "right to enjoy a beer on the tube" regardless of others around them.

Judging by some of the comments around, it seems that quite a few people that went to the 'party' didn't know you could drink alcohol on the tube, before the ban was announced.

 

[ymu]

Jesus How long ago was that?

I vaguely recall my old man smoking away on a longhaul flight from NZ to LA when i was a kid. Seems unreal now. The air stewards from those days must have suffered.

You could smoke on flights until well into the '90s I think - I certainly did in the late '80s and that was long before a ban IIRC; I spent most of one flight swapping seats with an Italian football team as they'd run out of seats in the smoking section by the time we stopped at Rome.

Smoking on the tube was banned after the Oxford Circus fire (November 1984), but not enforced until the King's Cross fire (Nov 1987). There were still smoking carriages on overland trains until very recently - less than a decade ago, I think.

 

[Guineveretoo]

The smoking ban on the overland trains was introduced at different times by different companies. Virgin were one of the first to ban smoking completely, and I used to have to travel up to Liverpool a lot with work, which caused me real difficulties, since I was a cigarette addict, and really couldn't bear to wait that long between cigarettes! Particularly when we travelled up in the evening and had a beer on the train. That was hard!

I do remember the driver/conductor announcing how long we would be waiting at each station, though, to allow the addicts like myself to jump off and have a quick smoke.

Anyway, that's off topic...

 

[ymu]

Anyway, that's off topic...

Well indeed, but Gabi seems to think we grew up with dinosaurs or summat. I'm old, but not that old.

 

[Spymaster]

So they're "thoughtless" because your apparently hyper sensitive nose can pick up the smell of the lager in their can, even if they're nowhere near you?

Well, frankly yes.

The majority of people that I know are totally in favour of the ban, booze on the tube is a frequently discussed topic.

Just because you and a few other posters here want to assert your "rights" over me and your fellow passengers doesn't make that the populist opinion.

And it's not just the smell. Alcohol is a controlled substance and I don't want you sitting next to my kids drinking on the tube. They are not allowed in pubs, why the bollocking fuck do you think it's ok to expose them to alcohol on trains?

So what about people travelling home from the pub? They're more likely to smell of alcohol. And smokers? They can whiff a bit too. And workmen! They can hum a bit after a hard day's graft. Do you want them all banned too

We can't control thoughtless peoples personal hygiene, we can, to an extent, control their behaviour on public transport.

By the way, would you have a problem with me farting and eating curry next to you on a tube?

 

[laptop]

booze on the tube is a frequently discussed topic.

Heaven for people who like to go "tut!"