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tube party on june 1st?

I think last nights events said more about people who organise their social lives through mediums such as Space Book than any genuine protest against a ban which most people seemingly assumed was in place anyway.
 
The thing is did people ever hold parties on the Tube in the past ?

I would never enjoy such a thing because I would be getting off at every stop to have a wee. So why all the fuss because booze has been banned ?
 
Oswaldtwistle said:
We aren't going to agree on this one, Editor, but what you need to consider is the way this will be percieved, in particular by the liberal middle class demographic who might previously have had doubts about this ban on libertarian grounds but now will likely be firmly behind Boris.
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But who cares? Really? The "liberal middle class demographic" has a solid history of basically following moral panics in a "oh well of course maybe the media exaggerates this ahem cough but something needs to be done" way in any case.

You'd have to be a fool to think that an individual occurrence of people deliberately going on the tube to get pissed as a protest against casual drinking was in any sense an indication of something that happened normally and was relevant to the issue - and the fools who would believe it would likely believe any old rubbish they read in the Standard anyway. And in any case, they didn't make the policy and they don't make the policy, regardless of what they think.
 
untethered said:
The major problem is the thousands of people that couldn't get onto their train, off their train or even into their station while considerately going about their legitimate daily business.
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Again, not my experience. The commuters were utterly intrigued by the party - startled, surprised, amused. But I didn't see anyone pissed off or aggro.
I know there were a few reports in the papers... but these were right at the end and in the minority when compared to the large scale of the thing in its entirety.
Any train driver I saw looked pretty amused, too.

Yeah it was a bit of a ruckus and at the end people were ridiculously drunk, but I thought the point was to create a bit of chaos/commotion.

These parties have been going on for nine years and urbanites used to go to them... people are just pissed off about this one cos there was fancy dress, students and facebook.

Ridiculous.
 
Disagree tastebud, i have no problem with parties on the underground, in fact i support them 100%. but i haven't seen anything to let me know that this one has been organised with anything but inherent support for the ban and johnson. what are they doing now to challenge this law? if you can make me see this as part of a challenge to johnson, then i support it, but otherwise it strikes me as a load of people having a party and not taking responsibility for their actions. i want to know, for example, how come 7(?) LU workers were assaulted. what happened? was it real assaults, did the partygoers step in? the vids i've seen make it look really selfish and laddish, like a bunch of football fans and nothing like the old circle line parties. you know i'm in favour, hell i started this thread with the hope of getting a party going, but i can't see how this one has done anything to fight johnson.

more tube parties needed though, this is a good start, but in order to have a point other than selfishness, there needs to be a follow up, IYSWIM.
 
bluestreak said:
Disagree tastebud, i have no problem with parties on the underground, in fact i support them 100%. .
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Fucking stupid place for a party.
Some years ago I saw a couple of school kids were hammering shit out of each other on a platform in Victoria. A huge shrek look-a-like grabbed both of them and dragged them out telling them if they wanted to fight to do it outside as they were going to cause themselves to fall in front of a train or worse an innocent passer by. Sums it all up realy.
 
Paulie Tandoori said:
yep, those agency migrant cleaners on less than the national minimum wage should be grateful that i leave my shit all over the public transport...
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I think your attitude stinks.



(Can you see what I'm doing here? Not nice is it. But enjoy a taste of your own medicine)
 
Fucking embarressing realy of all the shit going on the in world, thats what these pampered individuals want to protest about.
 
bluestreak said:
Disagree tastebud, i have no problem with parties on the underground, in fact i support them 100%. but i haven't seen anything to let me know that this one has been organised with anything but inherent support for the ban and johnson. what are they doing now to challenge this law? if you can make me see this as part of a challenge to johnson, then i support it, but otherwise it strikes me as a load of people having a party and not taking responsibility for their actions. i want to know, for example, how come 7(?) LU workers were assaulted. what happened? was it real assaults, did the partygoers step in? the vids i've seen make it look really selfish and laddish, like a bunch of football fans and nothing like the old circle line parties. you know i'm in favour, hell i started this thread with the hope of getting a party going, but i can't see how this one has done anything to fight johnson.

more tube parties needed though, this is a good start, but in order to have a point other than selfishness, there needs to be a follow up, IYSWIM.
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A bunch of people without any motivation apart from being pissed off at the law, coming together at the same time and place. No overall organisation, no specific political purpose, no actual will to do much in practice apart from drink until challenged. An issue involving booze, so people are even more likely than usual to be pissed and start shit with random folk; not entirely unknown in a protest though is it?
 
Gixxer1000 said:
Fucking stupid place for a party.
Some years ago I saw a couple of school kids were hammering shit out of each other on a platform in Victoria. A huge shrek look-a-like grabbed both of them and dragged them out telling them if they wanted to fight to do it outside as they were going to cause themselves to fall in front of a train or worse an innocent passer by. Sums it all up realy.
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Depends. There have been some good CLPs in the past, safe and friendly and perfect. I'm in favour of utilising "public" spaces for parties, redefining the nature of zones and what you can and can't do in them. Fighting and partying are very different things. See, if you can behave like a civilised human being you can party anywhere without causing hurt, alarm, mess, or disruption. And that's what any party against this rule should have been - it should have shown that it's completely stupid and pointless. In many ways it's been a success. Without the no drinking law the police dealt with the party, the law wasn't needed. But the manner in which the party went off was easily manipulated by the media into looking completely uncivilised, without it being close enough to a riot to show how angry people are.

In the end it's a good start, but without doing more parties and more protest it looks like an acquiescence to Johnson, rather than a defiance.
 
bluestreak said:
Depends. There have been some good CLPs in the past, safe and friendly and perfect. I'm in favour of utilising "public" spaces for parties, redefining the nature of zones and what you can and can't do in them. Fighting and partying are very different things. See, if you can behave like a civilised human being you can party anywhere without causing hurt, alarm, mess, or disruption. And that's what any party against this rule should have been - it should have shown that it's completely stupid and pointless. In many ways it's been a success. Without the no drinking law the police dealt with the party, the law wasn't needed. But the manner in which the party went off was easily manipulated by the media into looking completely uncivilised, without it being close enough to a riot to show how angry people are.

In the end it's a good start, but without doing more parties and more protest it looks like an acquiescence to Johnson, rather than a defiance.
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Very good and wise post imo.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
A bunch of people without any motivation apart from being pissed off at the law, coming together at the same time and place. No overall organisation, no specific political purpose, no actual will to do much in practice apart from drink until challenged. An issue involving booze, so people are even more likely than usual to be pissed and start shit with random folk; not entirely unknown though is it?
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Of course, and actually aside from the alleged attacks on staff and the ghastly fuck-monkeys involved (i mean cmon, look at the vids and tell me if those are the sort of toss-haired wankers you'd want at your party mostly - i mean, i'd pay tastebud to come and lend some coolness to any of my parties but for the most part if people came and behaved like that at an offline we'd throw them out), i'm happier now with how it turned out than i thought i would. Reports suggest that people actually fought back against the police in places. This is good.

But it reminds me a bit of how I felt at the tailend of RTS, where it seemed all party and no politics and alienated so many passers-by, rather than the early days where it drew them in and advertised to everyone why we were here and why a party was the chosen tool of dissent.

Most people there, it seems (though i'd love to be wrong) wanted a party, but are too bothered about the new rule.
 
bluestreak said:
Of course, and actually aside from the alleged attacks on staff and the ghastly fuck-monkeys involved (i mean cmon, look at the vids and tell me if those are the sort of toss-haired wankers you'd want at your party mostly - i mean, i'd pay tastebud to come and lend some coolness to any of my parties but for the most part if people came and behaved like that at an offline we'd throw them out), i'm happier now with how it turned out than i thought i would. Reports suggest that people actually fought back against the police in places. This is good.

But it reminds me a bit of how I felt at the tailend of RTS, where it seemed all party and no politics and alienated so many passers-by, rather than the early days where it drew them in and advertised to everyone why we were here and why a party was the chosen tool of dissent.

Most people there, it seems (though i'd love to be wrong) wanted a party, but are too bothered about the new rule.
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Well, what do you do? There's no "protest-organising" body that anyone gives a toss about any more; the closest is decentralised provocateurs doing shit that gets posted on Facebook and thus finds its way to the Metro. Nobody was there selling papers.

Having a party doesn't do anything, you know that.
 
Well, to be honest, what people like me should have done, if nothing else is printed up a load of information sheets and handed them out to partygoers and passers by. Then we should organise a follow up, next month, in the same way. For a start.

Why didn't I. Laziness and annoyance mostly.

I'm coming around to the idea of decentralised provacateurs completely. It's a great idea, and one that we should learn from. But with a bit of organisation, IYSWIM ;)
 
bluestreak said:
Depends. There have been some good CLPs in the past, safe and friendly and perfect. I'm in favour of utilising "public" spaces for parties, redefining the nature of zones and what you can and can't do in them. Fighting and partying are very different things. See, if you can behave like a civilised human being you can party anywhere without causing hurt, alarm, mess, or disruption.
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Even if you dont discriminate who you invite eh? Do you post up invites to parties in your house on the internet?
 
Spymaster said:
How about anywhere where you're not drunkenly involving the travelling public who want fuck all to do with you?
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Luton council tried that. They gave us an 'approved' site for an Exodous rave... right next to the f'ing motorway!! Asthma central.
 
editor said:
Perhaps you could post up your 'approved' list of sensible free party locations?
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Be easier to post up the most stupid, pissed people + leading edge platforms would probably be right up there

Seriously though, educate me here, wouldnt you feel guilty if someone had been killed at this party if you had promoted it?
 
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