Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Don't be a mug and fall for the newspaper twisting.
I'm quite aware of that. I was taking the piss. I'm often wading through a sea of Metros on the way to work
Don't be a mug and fall for the newspaper twisting.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7429709.stm I just found myself.
Look how much fun we're having with our products!
Look how much fun we're having with our products!
indeed.Don't be a mug and fall for the newspaper twisting.
Yep. Just like festivals, gigs, parties, even offices sometimes. People party, stuff gets broken/dirty & it's rarely the ones that make the mess that do the clearing up.You'll find very similar scenes on any tube train after a busy journey. In fact, it's often even worse in the week after the rush hour, when the carriages are full of discarded free newspapers, water bottles, food wrappers etc.
So where's the outrage about that?
Yep. Just like festivals, gigs, parties, even offices sometimes. People party, stuff gets broken/dirty & it's rarely the ones that make the mess that do the clearing up.
And the cost of cleaning up the tube is also included in my ticket.But the cost of clearing up after a festival is included in your ticket. Or those in the case of free parties/gigs the organisers have to do it (i should know I help out with a monthly free event!!). Neither of these applies here..
The comparatively minor mess that was made by this one off party pales into absolute insignificance compared to the vast quantities of mess created every single day on tube trains.
But look what happens when you make a serious effort to eliminate "products":
Then blame Boris and his fucking stupid new law.The major problem is the thousands of people that couldn't get onto their train, off their train or even into their station while considerately going about their legitimate daily business.
So what is your point, exactly?
Right. So the law was needed to outlaw any relatively minor littering and drunken antics that that may take place in reaction to such a law being introduced?That this is a massive own goal, basically. The people involved in this party have managed to prove just why this law was needed.
That this is a massive own goal, basically. The people involved in this party have managed to prove just why this law was needed.
in particular by the liberal middle class demographic who might previously have had doubts about this ban on libertarian grounds but now will likely be firmly behind Boris.
c.f. The internet. Granted it provides an efficient mechanism by which people can bandwagoneer, but that's not the same as being predominantly used for that or by those people.It's infested by fuckwits, who really would do better getting a life instead of jumping on board the latest passing fad ...
They could of course, but those you suggest are not supported by the facts on the ground.Various alternative scenarios could explain what you conclude though, couldn't they? E.G.:
1. The situation, originally policed by a few BTP / CoLP, starts to get out of hand. They call for help. The Met turn up. The "getting out of hand" would have continued whether or not the Met did or not (and would probably have ended up worse if they hadn't.
2. The situation has reached the point where it is necessary to get the crowd out of the station. The BTP and CoLP are unable to do that themselves and so do not attempt it until help arrives. The Met arrives and the crowd are moved. The crowd don't like being told what to do and get arsey. But they would have done at that point, regardless of who was doing the telling.
(a) Listening to the discussion just prior between the senior BTP, CoLP and Met* cops the choice of tactics seemed to come straight from the Met.(And it is interesting that despite the clear implication in the initial post that it was aggressive Met policing which caused it to kick off, you do not describe that at all - you describe a poor choice of tactics which, given that it was not within Met jurisdiction, would probably have been selected by BTP and / or CoLP.)
Then blame Boris and his f- stupid new law.
I pretty much agree with this. Stupid law, stupid party.If it's all the same to you, I'll blame Boris for his laws and partygoers for their party.
Nothing that Boris has enacted has compelled anyone to go out and hold a huge, selfish, hedonistic party that isn't even an effective protest against the law.
People partied because they wanted to party and thought their "right" to party was more important than other people's right to a peaceful and troublefree journey. That isn't Boris's fault, it's theirs.
There were people clearing up after themselves at Liverpool Street, but as I understand the train above at King's Cross was emptied by the police, including dogs, we'll never know whether those people would have done the same.But the cost of clearing up after a festival is included in your ticket. Or those in the case of free parties/gigs the organisers have to do it (i should know I help out with a monthly free event!!). Neither of these applies here.
Sorry to be on the side of the 'Daily Mail' brigade, but this party has been massively counter productive and hasn't helped your 'cause' one little bit........
yep, those agency migrant cleaners on less than the national minimum wage should be grateful that i leave my shit all over the public transport.... included in the cost of your ticket ffs....And the cost of cleaning up the tube is also included in my ticket.
The comparatively minor mess that was made by this one off party pales into absolute insignificance compared to the vast quantities of mess created every single day on tube trains.
So what is your point, exactly?
(*that's not to say that those people shouldn't have cleaned up their mess)
I think people are being to literal on Boris's ban. Personally I believe its a tactic to wrest control of the tube off the unions.
Editor said:(*that's not to say that those people shouldn't have cleaned up their mess)
yep, those agency migrant cleaners on less than the national minimum wage should be grateful that i leave my shit all over the public transport.... included in the cost of your ticket ffs....
well, what is it saying then?
well, what is it saying then?