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Change the booze for fags, change the era to (say) the 1970s and it's the same old story.
 
Don't be a mug and fall for the newspaper twisting.
:D indeed.

You'll find very similar scenes on any tube train after a busy journey. In fact, it's often even worse in the week after the rush hour, when the carriages are full of discarded free newspapers, water bottles, food wrappers etc.

So where's the outrage about that?
Yep. Just like festivals, gigs, parties, even offices sometimes. People party, stuff gets broken/dirty & it's rarely the ones that make the mess that do the clearing up.

Even the Guardian's reporting is distortedly hysterical.
 
Yep. Just like festivals, gigs, parties, even offices sometimes. People party, stuff gets broken/dirty & it's rarely the ones that make the mess that do the clearing up.

I wish it weren't the case :(

*bops round the party, binbag in hand*
 
But the cost of clearing up after a festival is included in your ticket. Or those in the case of free parties/gigs the organisers have to do it (i should know I help out with a monthly free event!!). Neither of these applies here.

Sorry to be on the side of the 'Daily Mail' brigade, but this party has been massively counter productive and hasn't helped your 'cause' one little bit........
 
But the cost of clearing up after a festival is included in your ticket. Or those in the case of free parties/gigs the organisers have to do it (i should know I help out with a monthly free event!!). Neither of these applies here..
And the cost of cleaning up the tube is also included in my ticket.

The comparatively minor mess that was made by this one off party pales into absolute insignificance compared to the vast quantities of mess created every single day on tube trains.

So what is your point, exactly?

(*that's not to say that those people shouldn't have cleaned up their mess)
 
The comparatively minor mess that was made by this one off party pales into absolute insignificance compared to the vast quantities of mess created every single day on tube trains.

I don't think the mess is the major problem.

The major problem is the thousands of people that couldn't get onto their train, off their train or even into their station while considerately going about their legitimate daily business.
 
The major problem is the thousands of people that couldn't get onto their train, off their train or even into their station while considerately going about their legitimate daily business.
Then blame Boris and his fucking stupid new law.
 
That this is a massive own goal, basically. The people involved in this party have managed to prove just why this law was needed.
Right. So the law was needed to outlaw any relatively minor littering and drunken antics that that may take place in reaction to such a law being introduced?

Have I got that right?
 
We aren't going to agree on this one, Editor, but what you need to consider is the way this will be percieved, in particular by the liberal middle class demographic who might previously have had doubts about this ban on libertarian grounds but now will likely be firmly behind Boris.
 
All the idiots have done is give Boris justification (in the minds of other idiots) for his idiotic law. The average voter won't draw the distinctions being bandied about here.

He's off to a good start, or thats the way he'll pitch it anyway. Not so much an own goal as an instance of the crowd coming on the pitch and kicking the goalkeeper's head in. Idiots.
 
That this is a massive own goal, basically. The people involved in this party have managed to prove just why this law was needed.

I don't think they were protesting it, I'm pretty sure if you asked most of them what they were going to do after the ban to get it removed they'd say 'nothing'

I took it more as a huge piss take.

Then again when Bob Crow calls you a "disgrace" you know you're in trouble.
 
in particular by the liberal middle class demographic who might previously have had doubts about this ban on libertarian grounds but now will likely be firmly behind Boris.

You do you think were the people on the tube last night?. The liberal middle class will never be behind boris.
 
It's infested by fuckwits, who really would do better getting a life instead of jumping on board the latest passing fad ...
c.f. The internet. Granted it provides an efficient mechanism by which people can bandwagoneer, but that's not the same as being predominantly used for that or by those people.
 
Various alternative scenarios could explain what you conclude though, couldn't they? E.G.:

1. The situation, originally policed by a few BTP / CoLP, starts to get out of hand. They call for help. The Met turn up. The "getting out of hand" would have continued whether or not the Met did or not (and would probably have ended up worse if they hadn't.

2. The situation has reached the point where it is necessary to get the crowd out of the station. The BTP and CoLP are unable to do that themselves and so do not attempt it until help arrives. The Met arrives and the crowd are moved. The crowd don't like being told what to do and get arsey. But they would have done at that point, regardless of who was doing the telling.
They could of course, but those you suggest are not supported by the facts on the ground.

1. There was no -ve change in crowd dynamics, quite the opposite with the crowd reduced to less than half it's initial numbers, with people drifting away after the sound system left.

2. Entirely possible, but irrelevant to the manner in which it was done, which was the point of my comment. The crowd did not simply get arsey at being moved, the loose line of police could easily have been resisted or walked around, but there was no confrontation until the bottleneck.

(And it is interesting that despite the clear implication in the initial post that it was aggressive Met policing which caused it to kick off, you do not describe that at all - you describe a poor choice of tactics which, given that it was not within Met jurisdiction, would probably have been selected by BTP and / or CoLP.)
(a) Listening to the discussion just prior between the senior BTP, CoLP and Met* cops the choice of tactics seemed to come straight from the Met.
(b) Is it not the case that since J18 the Met takes the lead on public order situations in the City? Or pre-planned only?

Either way, it was the presence of the Met cops that allowed the aggressive tactics to be used, if you feel that given suitable strength of numbers the CoLP and BTP would be just as aggressive, then I won't argue with that ;)

* I believe the collective noun is an indecision of senior officers.
 
Then blame Boris and his f- stupid new law.

If it's all the same to you, I'll blame Boris for his laws and partygoers for their party.

Nothing that Boris has enacted has compelled anyone to go out and hold a huge, selfish, hedonistic party that isn't even an effective protest against the law.

People partied because they wanted to party and thought their "right" to party was more important than other people's right to a peaceful and troublefree journey. That isn't Boris's fault, it's theirs.
 
If it's all the same to you, I'll blame Boris for his laws and partygoers for their party.

Nothing that Boris has enacted has compelled anyone to go out and hold a huge, selfish, hedonistic party that isn't even an effective protest against the law.

People partied because they wanted to party and thought their "right" to party was more important than other people's right to a peaceful and troublefree journey. That isn't Boris's fault, it's theirs.
I pretty much agree with this. Stupid law, stupid party.
 
But the cost of clearing up after a festival is included in your ticket. Or those in the case of free parties/gigs the organisers have to do it (i should know I help out with a monthly free event!!). Neither of these applies here.

Sorry to be on the side of the 'Daily Mail' brigade, but this party has been massively counter productive and hasn't helped your 'cause' one little bit........
There were people clearing up after themselves at Liverpool Street, but as I understand the train above at King's Cross was emptied by the police, including dogs, we'll never know whether those people would have done the same.

How has it been counter-productive at all in terms of the ban? Without the parties would the ban have been dropped as unworkable? Or would it, as it still will, remain in theory but in practice only be very selectively enforced?
 
I think people are being to literal on Boris's ban. Personally I believe its a tactic to wrest control of the tube off the unions.
 
And the cost of cleaning up the tube is also included in my ticket.

The comparatively minor mess that was made by this one off party pales into absolute insignificance compared to the vast quantities of mess created every single day on tube trains.

So what is your point, exactly?

(*that's not to say that those people shouldn't have cleaned up their mess)
yep, those agency migrant cleaners on less than the national minimum wage should be grateful that i leave my shit all over the public transport....:rolleyes: included in the cost of your ticket ffs....
 
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