What an incredible discovery Blanchard made, that some people fancy women and some people fancy men. He's wrong of course, bisexuality also clearly does exist and there's no room for that in autogynephilia. Autogynephilia demands jumping through so many intellectual hoops when confronted with the real world whereas the idea that people who have some form of gender discordance might end up with a couple of kinks seems very simple and plausible. And it happens to match what most trans people report, so in the absence of over-whelming evidence for Blanchard's theory, and given the large amount of evidence disputing it, then Serano's ideas seem much closer to what is likely to be the truth.
Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?
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What an incredible discovery Blanchard made, that some people fancy women and some people fancy men. He's wrong of course, bisexuality also clearly does exist and there's no room for that in autogynephilia. Autogynephilia demands jumping through so many intellectual hoops when confronted with the real world whereas the idea that people who have some form of gender discordance might end up with a couple of kinks seems very simple and plausible. And it happens to match what most trans people report, so in the absence of over-whelming evidence for Blanchard's theory, and given the large amount of evidence disputing it, then Serano's ideas seem much closer to what is likely to be the truth.
I think it's just you they don't like.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But that has nothing to do with the paper, its arguments or the evidence it presents, none of which you have countered.
Miranda Yardley
Willing Warrior.
Already explained this please see above.
Miranda Yardley
Willing Warrior.
Nope, it was Hirschfeld in 1918. And please link to the evidence disputing it. Thanks!
Miranda Yardley
Willing Warrior.
What an amazing trans ally you really are not.
I have no evidence to disprove that some people fancy women and some people fancy men.
Come on, you were talking nonsense, you were banging on about Paris Lees yourself a few pages back, I've not seen any hate for her from trans activists.
Miranda Yardley
Willing Warrior.
As I have already said, Serano's own objections appear to be political and Seraro provides no new research on this matter, or even in my view a logically thorough repudiation. But that's just me
In the paper I linked to tonight, there are a bunch of things to disagree with, and again disagreement is good! But please read it and let me know! I have my copy here ready to go!
Miranda Yardley
Willing Warrior.
I'm trans, I have been out for three decades, why suddenly is my voice on this matter inferior to yours?
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
I’m a socialist, and therefore I’m not particularly keen on people who go out of their way to make life harder for oppressed minorities. I have particular contempt for people who do that while also simultaneously claiming to be left wing - as anti-immigrant socialists do or anti-semitic anti-imperialists do or as TERFs do. Beyond that, I’m generally interested in oddball and esoteric ideologies and sects and ideologies don’t come much weirder than “gender abolitionists” who spend their time agitating for more vigorous policing of the boundaries of gender.
Well then perhaps you can point us to the evidence of this hatred?
they do, all the time, they get called terfs and if miranda wasnt on the exclusionary side I highly doubt you'd care enough to post about it.
miranda presents themselves as a trans woman then shits on other trans people saying they aint real like shes the only fucking trans in the village and says they are male but then goes on the way they do, it's fucking ridiculous. like if it was that easy and trans people are lying and gender needs to be abolished then it's not beyond reason that they would stop the shit they do and just say yeah my hormones are just a fetish and actually OWN it instead of trying to score some fucking points.
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Quite.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
The Guardian sent someone over to Ireland to see what the consequences of gender recognition through self-declaration have been. It turns out that none of the terrifying consequences Brit TERFs have been claiming will follow have actually happened.
'A monumental change': how Ireland transformed transgender rights
'A monumental change': how Ireland transformed transgender rights
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
No, soz.
There are other post-transition peeps with the same opinion. It`s good Miranda can express their views because not many others do.
yeah there are. thanks for clarifying. but miranda is an exceptional contradiction.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Ireland having such a recent history of gut wrenching mysogyny one wonders how that's been achieved and what lies beneath the seemingly paradisaical accounts. Given how largely unchallenged the narrative has been over here (I wonder if The Guardian has reported on the, almost 14K in 3 days AWS crowdfunding initiative yet btw - the only account I read earlier was that of Pink news which couldn't help itself but to misrepresent the initiative) I feel more than entitled to doubt that one.
My m8 holds quite similar views. I was not always sure whether or not it was because she had been run down by society or not. Miranda makes me think not.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
Exuse me?
And what a progressive country Ireland is.
Unless of course you're a women who wants to terminate a pregnancy or who needs a termination for medical reasons.
Nigel Irritable
Five, Ten, Fifteen Years
Ireland is a rapidly changing country, and has over the last 25 years got rid of every vestige of Catholic conservative laws on social issues with the solitary exception of the ban on abortion - which will likely be gone in the next six months. Bringing in gender recognition by self-declaration was a part of that process. It was opposed by the same religious conservatives who oppose abortion rights and supported by every feminist group and campaign in the country. And as the struggle for abortion rights has been one of the main political issues for some years, those feminist groups and campaigns are considerably larger and more vigorous than their equivalents in Britain.
But here’s the thing. Whether Ireland is particularly progressive or not is irrelevant. What’s of interest is that gender recognition by self-declaration has been the law one island over from you for some years now. The various scaremongering claims made by paranoid and bigoted TERFs have been put to the test. Self-declaration has not resulted in any of the terrible things your fringe movement claims it would result in. No huge spike in teenage girls being pressured into changing gender. No abusive men declaring themselves to be women so as to force their way into domestic violence refuges. No compulsory sex with trans women for lesbians. No domination of women’s spaces by opportunistic men with a fraudulently claimed gender recognition certificate. No sudden mass outbreak of perverts in the toilets or changing rooms. And not the slightest qualm about the consequences of those changes, no second thoughts or buyers remorse, on the part of the feminist movement here.
It’s been tried. The sky didn’t fall. Your paranoid fantasies turned out to be paranoid fantasies. If TERFs were capable of honesty or were actually interested in the truth they would assess their fears in light of that experience. But you aren’t capable of that. They prefer a wild paranoia untethered to factual outcomes. So not only will they continue to repeat the same scare mongering as if it hadn’t already been disproved, they actively resent anyone pointing out that it has been shown to be groundless.
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