Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a reflection of reality, not identity. It's not me than makes the rule that 'trans women' are male.

And here's the evidence of your ideology. I'm not commenting here on whether or not it is right. I'm merely commenting on its ideological nature. Your appeal to some external authority demonstrates it.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

FIFY. Other sciences are available where men can be women and women men, particularly the social ones. Psychology, for instance. Linguistics. Anthropology. Sociology. Material Reality is only part of ''Reality'' the lived experience.

It's really too late to go on with this, I'm working very early tomorrow.

This is a bigger question than my wants to concede. To them questions of material reality have been settled. That is also ideology.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

In the absence of this (a strong feeling of 'female gender identity') can you say anything about what is it that made you go through all those painful surgeries?

I’ve been thinking this also! Miranda’s arguments appear to be against transition, yet they have done precisely that.

 

[pengaleng]

On the contrary, I'm not into pigeon holes or 983 different gender identities. I think people should just be themselves without complying with stereotypes or labels, and I've said this zillions of times. I particularly worry for those who feel the need to describe themselves as a collection of different stereotypes, how can you have a fulfilling relationship with other people, never mind yourself, if you see individuals as fragmented collections of identities and stereotypes, rather than as rounded individuals?

lol

it is you who defines which I you think of when you say I

Did the person make the moment? Or, Did the moment make the person?

you heard of ram dass?

 

[pengaleng]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I find lots to agree with on my's website. I like them generally on here, and the fact that they declare themself an amateur mathematician endears me to them a great deal. But they don't acknowledge their own ideology. They don't acknowledge properly their reliance on very dodgy sources such as Blanchard. And I'm sorry but sometimes they appear to be arguing from someone else's pov. Do they really feel the need to misgender other posters here, or is that something they feel they ought to do because certain associates might be reading.

And then of course, they've changed their name to Miranda but would prefer to be called 'they'. tbh it would be far easier to just say 'she'. This isn't a question of ideology, just one of linguistic convention. To confuse one for the other is a bad mistake, imo, one that leads people into acting like vicious fuckers while pretending that they're not.

 

[pengaleng]

i dont think they really actually know themselves. smacks of it.

 

[krtek a houby]

Don't get the deliberate misgendering, at all. What does it achieve, apart from causing unecessary grief and resentment?

 

[pengaleng]

makes em look like candace owens on rubin report, not a good look.

 

[campanula]

It's a reflection of reality, not identity. It's not me than makes the rule that 'trans women' are male.

Um, I had more or less abandoned this topic, having no particular axe to grind and zero grounding in academic gender positions...but that statement seems a bit narrow, Miranda. While reality may be 'socially constructed' it hardly makes it less 'real' to those experiencing it (ie.everyone). And whilst it argues against definition and certainty (given the huge historical and cultural surges which have rampaged across human history (or even herstory), I can only speak for myself by saying I have definitely experienced what seems to be a profound feeling of womanliness (usually because of because the sheer enormous physicality of biology but also a fever dream of imagination) but my God, over 6 decades of femaleness, I can find nothing, outside of the purely biological which has any consistency or compelling agenda - certainly not based on fragile states of being such as sexual attraction (where I have been all over the shop and currently distinctly non)...and as for tastes, preference, social acceptance (I was called 'lad for years until I discovered biscuits,grew a granny bosom and menopause did for my once luxurious moustache). Anyway, the slippery nature of this topic encourages multiple positions on a very colourful spectrum. Still floundering really.
Without being prurient, do you refer to yourself as 'he' Miranda? ( still remember the fuss about Ms so, on principle, I am on board with changeable pronouns).
I can also see the dilemma in being a obvious member of a very small minority, yet having to resist the position of being either the self-appointed or unwillingly nominated spokesperson for all other minority members...as though there was no such thing as complexity.

 

[Wilf]

It's a reflection of reality, not identity. It's not me than makes the rule that 'trans women' are male.

Actually, that's exactly what it is.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

And then of course, they've changed their name to Miranda but would prefer to be called 'they'. tbh it would be far easier to just say 'she'.

You argue this after arguing that pronouns should be applied out of respect of the recipient’s choosing.

 

[pengaleng]

miranda dunno about respect tho init

 

[Magnus McGinty]

miranda dunno about respect tho init

They disagree with a point of view. I haven’t seen them name calling over it.

 

[pengaleng]

They disagree with a point of view. I haven’t seen them name calling over it.

you havent? we all have

 

[littlebabyjesus]

You argue this after arguing that pronouns should be applied out of respect of the recipient’s choosing.

I've lost patience with the person who refuses to give that respect.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've lost patience with the person who refuses to give that respect.

Yeh not much r e s p e c t from m y

 

[bimble]

But they don't acknowledge their own ideology.

What does that mean? What about their point of view are they not spelling out or acting on to your satisfaction?

 

[weepiper]

WALSH: This Cross-Dressing Child Is Not 'Expressing' Himself. He Is Being Sexually Abused.

Some may find some of the language involved in this article extreme but it's definitely a worrying situation for the child in question.

 

[Pickman's model]

WALSH: This Cross-Dressing Child Is Not 'Expressing' Himself. He Is Being Sexually Abused.

Some may find some of the language involved in this article extreme but it's definitely a worrying situation for the child in question.

has yer man taken as strong a line against child beauty contests, like those in which jonbenet ramsey was involved in? by no means making light of this situation: nonetheless it seems to me that there's also an element of identifying homosexuality with paedophilia in there, for example



which i imagine refers to pride.

 

[LDC]

WALSH: This Cross-Dressing Child Is Not 'Expressing' Himself. He Is Being Sexually Abused.

Some may find some of the language involved in this article extreme but it's definitely a worrying situation for the child in question.

I do generally find myself agreeing with lots of what you say weepiper, but that source is fucking awful. Have you seen what other shit they have on their main page?

Not to say that it isn't at first glance a awful thing, it's just with these sources it's often that there's more to it than what seems to be the case at first.

 

[Signal 11]

has yer man taken as strong a line against child beauty contests,

He's taken a strong line against feminism, marriage equality and atheism:

demands that conservative voters make a last stand and fight for the moral center of America. The Trump presidency and Republican Congress provides an urgent opportunity to stop the Left's value-bending march to destroy the culture of our country.

 

[Pickman's model]

He's taken a strong line against feminism, marriage equality and atheism:

i don't think i'd want him in my team

 

[krtek a houby]

He's taken a strong line against feminism, marriage equality and atheism:

"the Left's value-bending march to destroy the culture of our country."

Ugh. Got to be a weak culture if the idea of equality threatens it so much.

 

[weepiper]

I do generally find myself agreeing with lots of what you say weepiper, but that source is fucking awful. Have you seen what other shit they have on their main page?

Not to say that it isn't at first glance a awful thing, it's just with these sources it's often that there's more to it than what seems to be the case at first.

Yeah, sure, sorry, it's a story I've seen floating around on twitter for a few days and I just grabbed the first 'article' at hand. He has some shitty opinions and I don't want to appear to be allying myself with him or others like him so apologies for that.
I do worry for that kid though, and yes perhaps it is 'just the same' as female children being paraded in beauty pageants but that doesn't make it less wrong to be grotesquely overtly sexualising a pre-pubescent child for adult entertainment.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

• But they don't acknowledge their own ideology.
• They don't acknowledge properly their reliance on very dodgy sources such as Blanchard.
• And I'm sorry but sometimes they appear to be arguing from someone else's pov.
• Do they really feel the need to misgender other posters here, or is that something they feel they ought to do because certain associates might be reading.

• If you read my work, I quote my ideological sources and these primarily are classic liberal or based on Marxist materialism and class analysis, and the critique of Engels on the family.
• Blanchard is not dodgy, his work stands up and you can see that many trans people do have autogynephilic histories. How else would you interpret the narratives I quote in that piece? As Alice Dreger has said, objections to B's work is ideological.
• No, I don't buy into the zeitgeist. I make and defend my own arguments.
• Complaints or 'misgendering' are themselves purely ideological: it is our convention that females and males have particular pronouns, it is transgender ideology that attempts to compel us to bend this law for a small minority.

And then of course, they've changed their name to Miranda but would prefer to be called 'they'. tbh it would be far easier to just say 'she'. This isn't a question of ideology, just one of linguistic convention. To confuse one for the other is a bad mistake, imo, one that leads people into acting like vicious fuckers while pretending that they're not.

Does that mean you would not respect the pronouns of those who claim 'non-binary identity' and wish for 'they'? Or 'zie'/'hir' etc?

Please show me anything I have ever said that is 'vicious'.

 

[Wilf]

• Complaints or 'misgendering' are themselves purely ideological: it is our convention that females and males have particular pronouns, it is transgender ideology that attempts to compel us to bend this law for a small minority.

Law?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

In the absence of this (a strong feeling of 'female gender identity') can you say anything about what is it that made you go through all those painful surgeries?

I've had only one painful surgery! The idea that we have a 'female gender identity' is a recent invention, it used to be called 'gender identity disorder', no that I think this is a great description either, just showing how things have changed: the whole idea this 'female gender identity' is innate is pretty much unsupported scientifically.

As for reasons/motivations, I've written some bits about this here and here.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Law?

Convention, or law. Using the terms synonymously in that context.

 

[Wilf]

Convention, or law. Using the terms synonymously in that context.

It's a choice - a choice you are making. You are - obviously - entitled to your own opinions as to whether someone 'really' is male or female. But I wish you'd stop hiding behind appeals to scientific authority, 'laws' and definitions when what you are engaged in is a political and ideological battle.