Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Miranda Yardley]

Is it? All of it?

The parts about recognising sex differences and use of (dialectical materialist) class analysis certainly are. I'd be interested in what aspects you'd consider are metaphysical rather than materialist?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Well, it's not ultimately for me to pronounce on women's spaces and who is let in. Yes, there should be self awareness from someone like Kellie Maloney (I don't personally know what she has claimed access to), there should be mutual awareness of the way different oppressions have shaped people's lives. There's a need for, well, dialogue. But then where are those oppressions located?

Let's talk about oppression: please provide three examples related to women and 'trans women'. How do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Let's talk about oppression: please provide three examples related to women and 'trans women'. How do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination?

Why don't you provide some examples and stop demanding answers from other people?

 

[Wilf]

Why don't you provide some examples and stop demanding answers from other people?

*Hides behind Rutita* Yeah!

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's talk about oppression: please provide three examples related to women and 'trans women'. How do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination?

you don't know what the fuck you're on about you daft rabbit

"let's talk about oppression ... how do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination" you fucking muppet

 

[Treacle Toes]

*Hides behind Rutita* Yeah!

LOL I'm not trying to be rude Miranda Yardley but you ask people to define and provide x, y, z a lot and then critique when you could give your own examples and let people interact with them too.

 

[Pickman's model]

LOL I'm not trying to be rude Miranda Yardley but you ask people to define and provide x, y, z a lot and then critique when, you could give your own examples and let people interact with them too.

not to mention the muppetry implicit in declaring "let's talk about oppression" and then puling "how do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination?"

seems our miranda knows neither the meaning of oppression nor discrimination.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

*Hides behind Rutita* Yeah!

You said:

But then where are those oppressions located?

So, I ask you to describe the oppressions you speak of and what 'oppression' means to you. I am examining your statement and claims. BTW I have always said there is need for dialogue.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

not to mention the muppetry implicit in declaring "let's talk about oppression" and then puling"how do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination?"

Do you know the difference yourself? If so, please explain.

 

[Pickman's model]

You said:



So, I ask you to describe the oppressions you speak of and what 'oppression' means to you. I am examining your statement and claims. BTW I have always said there is need for dialogue.

yeh once more you're with the binaries.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

LOL I'm not trying to be rude Miranda Yardley but you ask people to define and provide x, y, z a lot and then critique when you could give your own examples and let people interact with them too.

I'm not the one making the claims!

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you know the difference yourself? If so, please explain.

yes, yes i do. but i'm waiting on you supporting your claim that animals know no gender, chuck.

 

[Wilf]

I'm not the one making the claims!

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not the one making the claims!

yeh? you claimed animals know no gender. but when invited to back up your assertion you fell silent. come on, show your spunk and support your claim.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

yes, yes i do. but i'm waiting on you supporting your claim that animals know no gender, chuck.

Oooooh sexism klaxon!

What do you mean by 'gender'? Do animals have sex-based social hierarchies? Yes some do. Do they always work against females? No they don't. Do animals have an inner sense of whether they are male or female, or are an animal other than the animal they are? I don't believe so. This and the related paper are interesting:

What Is It Like to Be a Bat?

 

[bimble]

Some animals have the very cool ability to actually change sex, depending on circumstance, but I don't think even they've got genders.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oooooh sexism klaxon!

so ready to accuse others of fascism and sexism.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oooooh sexism klaxon!

What do you mean by 'gender'? Do animals have sex-based social hierarchies? Yes some do. Do they always work against females? No they don't. Do animals have an inner sense of whether they are male or female, or are an animal other than the animal they are? I don't believe so. This and the related paper are interesting:

What Is It Like to Be a Bat?

pick another paper. this time pick one which at least includes the word gender. you're full of fail, miranda.

 

[pengaleng]

you don't know what the fuck you're on about you daft rabbit

"let's talk about oppression ... how do you differentiate between oppression and discrimination" you fucking muppet

ahahahaha reading this after waking up proper sets you up for the day

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Some animals have the very cool ability to actually change sex, depending on circumstance, but I don't think even they've got genders.

As ever it depends on what we mean by 'gender'. If we are talking about 'sex based social hierarchy' these certainly exist, but they don't mean male animals become female animals:

FEMALES DOMINATE HYENAS' HIERARCHY

If we are talking about male animals having an inner sense of maleness or femaleness, I have doubt.

 

[pengaleng]

is anyone else only looking at this thread now for jokes? it's the only reason i look at it

hyenas now ffs hahahahasha you couldnt make this up

the only thing anyone needs to know about hyena is that it will rip yer face off without killing you so look about

 

[Miranda Yardley]

pick another paper. this time pick one which at least includes the word gender. you're full of fail, miranda.

That moment you realise Pickman doesn't actually understand the claim transgenderists are making about gender.

 

[pengaleng]

hahahahahahhA pssing meself

 

[Wilf]

That moment you realise Pickman doesn't actually understand the claim transgenderists are making about gender.

All threads go through this. In fact on the Corbyn thread there was a whole 6 months where everybody just shouted BOGIES!

 

[Pickman's model]

That moment you realise Pickman doesn't actually understand the claim transgenderists are making about gender.

if you remember, i was asking you to support your claim that animals know no gender. you've signally failed to do this and wriggling like a loathsome worm does nothing to change that fact.

 

[pengaleng]

LOL loathsome worm

leatherjacket init

 

[Miranda Yardley]

hyenas now ffs hahahahasha you couldnt make this up

 

[pengaleng]

wtf is that supposed to be?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

All threads go through this. In fact on the Corbyn thread there was a whole 6 months where everybody just shouted BOGIES!

That's far more pertinent than what PM was saying, seems to be arguing a position they don't understand themselves.

 

[pengaleng]

freudian