Athos
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On a previous occasion she used the slur, Bimble referenced Zappa's 'Jewish Princess'. But she persisted with it.
Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?
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On a previous occasion she used the slur, Bimble referenced Zappa's 'Jewish Princess'. But she persisted with it.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Where’s the apology?
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
1) the brackets thing is recent. ‘Jewish princess’ has a longer pedigree.
2) your hug wasn’t done to insult, was it?
3) you’ve not persisted with it, have you?
oops just read a page of this thread. Athos Magnus McGinty MadeInBedlam you are blatantly being dicks because of personal history, it really isn't very subtle.
Treacle Toes
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Nothing more than their usual tag team, nobody, nonsense. I'm learning to mix Afrobeat in the background...it helps.
Tag team! I’ve had barneys with both in the past.
I’ve had barneys with both in the past.that happens in WWF wrestling too... in fact it is almost a prerequisiteTag team!
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
I'm not around here long enough to have witnessed all of that. I take all of your points. I still think in that particular instance that was not the case but only Rutita1 knows that anyway. That being the case, I'll just shut up about it. I think this thread is fraught enough and doesn't need any more drama than it's already got tbh.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
complaints about anti-semitism are made in bad faith.
Never heard that one before
Never heard that one before
oooff I feel like you literally just SLAMMED me to the CANVAS and clotheslined me with that clever rhetorical device, mean how on EARTH should I ANSWER!!!
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Er...
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
So we’ve just spent how many pages talking about lanague, courtesy etc,
A poster is asked to desist from (repeatedly) using an insult laden with antisemtic connotations, to a Jewish poster who has already asked them not to use it.
The response from some posters on here is disgusting
A poster is asked to desist from (repeatedly) using an insult laden with antisemtic connotations, to a Jewish poster who has already asked them not to use it.
The response from some posters on here is disgusting
FabricLiveBaby!
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Is everyone drunk or something?
Treacle Toes
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Where? Stop making it up to suit your pathetic agenda.
She asked today and explained why. I in turn explained why I nicknamed her that in the past and showed how her posts today that tried to shit stir are an example of why I use the nick name and told her to fuck off because I won't be manipulated in that way. Nothing to do with her being Jewish, never has been.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
This thread is also full of pointed accusations at a group of people of meaning to de facto denying the humanity of a group of people by refusing to accept a set of premises regardless of what their actual attitudes toward that group of people are. I don't accept that the uses of word or a phrase or a slogan, or arguments against such premises mean denying that group's right to live their lives unencumbered... yet, here we are.
Treacle Toes
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I replied with a fuck off because you dressed it up like you were being innocent tonight when you were shit-stirring and finger pointing because I used the term 'transwoman'. Perhaps you can stop that now?
There we go again. Fucking special somebody whom everyone agrees with? I doubt few will be surprised with you continuing on with this conceited nonsense.
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It dropped ages ago. This is the stage where the finger waggers keep it going.
If gender is a set of behaviours, that includes very visible indicators like clothing and presentation and how people move and talk, as well as interests, tastes and social roles - and if someone meets enough of those behaviours that they are easily identifiable as a particular gender then is it reasonable to say they are cis no matter how they feel inside?
In my experience some people who reject the term cis when you meet them are very typical for their gender - they are reproducing or performing gender whilst claiming to reject it. Is this legitimate? Would you accept someone as straight if they had only ever had same sex partners? I mean you might out of politeness, but would you really? Is it incumbent on us to accept their lack of gender identity and not label them cis, even though as far as anyone looking or interacting with them might tell they do have a gender identity - perhaps not an internal one, but an external one? I recognise that gender is imposed, but not everyone performs gender according to their biological sex, trans people don't, so is there a valid distinction to be made between people who do and people who don't?
I'm not saying I 'm really sure about any of this, I'm just posing the question, possibly due to a certain amount of irritation at people declaring themselves genderless who are very visibly gendered. It feels like a bit of a pose without actually accepting the consequences of genuinely rejecting gender, and possibly in a lot of cases because some people, especially men, rather like the gender they have been assigned.
Not all aimed at you by the way MochaSoul just that post made me think about it.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I go and watch telly for a bit and come back to this clusterfuck.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I’d never heard of either issue. I only know a couple of Jewish people (to my knowledge).
Learning a few things tonight...
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I only know three (possibly four) transgender people. My policy is to use their name and listen to what other people say to get a sense of the right pronoun. It isn’t hard.
Still, there’s the odd curveball that can get you - a friend’s father is transgender and refers to herself as “X’s Dad”. Easy enough to navigate around, but I wouldn’t have been sure if she didn’t announce herself as such at X’s wedding during the speech.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
It does seem to me that our shared meaning of the term cis has by no means been worked out yet. It's a new term, so not so surprising. I see it used in sensible, sober discussions of trans issues in a very neutral way, really meaning no more than 'not trans': not suffering from a significant degree of gender dysphoria or wanting to change your gender identity. And it has a clear utility in that context, providing a neutral term for 'not-trans'. But it is also clear that some think it means something more than that, containing within it the implication that you are happy with your gender identity. It doesn't help that it's a term that's used aggressively in an 'us and them' way, especially when someone is trying to explain your existence to you by calling you that, which is always pretty infuriating. Twitter has a lot to answer for in this respect, imo, and it appears that it is often there that people first hear the term cis or cisgender, rather than reading it in a considered academic article.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
People are often slow to apologise when they are angry. I think if R drops the p-word in future it’s fair to draw a line under it.
Miranda Yardley
Willing Warrior.
This is quite common, as is younger children using a pet name.
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