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Tory Leadership contest 2022

How's about: he probably has the instinctive low cunning and experience to keep it vague at the point of crisis to let him hang on and see where it looks like things are going, i.e. more he left himself that option rather than has already decided to try it on?
I think this pretty much describes his whole career. Certainly describes his entire PMship. And I think you're right. Is he currently the PM? Well, sort of, yes. Ok then, let's see what tomorrow brings.
 
I think it's very likely that Johnson will continue disrupt and fuck about throughout the leadership election. He loves attention. He loves power. That will not change. He will sell his backing to the highest bidder and seek to extract revenge on his enemies. He will definitely not keep his gob shut.
 
Johnson couldn't command a majority in the house, the Tories would be happy in backing a Labour motion of no confidence in him as PM, in full confidence that it wouldn't result in a general election, as the Queen would have to look for someone else who could command a majority, before dissolving parliament, and that would be the new Tory leader.

Except the new Tory leader is yet to be chosen, and even if they shortened the existing process, it will still take a few weeks or possibly months, so there is a theoretical window of opportunity.

Again, I'm not saying this would work, or even that Johnson would try it, but some of your supposed "common sense" assumptions recently don't actually hold water
 
I did read it, and noted you don’t think it would work.

But, my point is he wouldn't even try it, he's a proper twat, but he's not likely to try anything so mad, even if only because of advice/pressure from family, friends, and others close to him.

It was only a few days ago that loads of people were saying he would never resign, but when comforted with reality, he did.
I think he is/was hoping to find so way to hang in, but he will release there is no way it can be done and no moves will be made, beyond trying to drag out the whole process as long as possible
 
cupid_stunt you’re carrying on exactly the same missing the point argument with various people for a few days now. But you do get it really, cos look at yr own last post, where you reckon that ‘family & friends’ will make him see sense, that acknowledges the possibility that Boris Johnson may think weird things, non-sensible things, inside his own head, do you see, and that’s all anyone has been saying this whole time.
 
cupid_stunt you’re carrying on exactly the same missing the point argument with various people for a few days now. But you do get it really, cos look at yr own last post, where you reckon that ‘family & friends’ will make him see sense, that acknowledges the possibility that Boris Johnson may think weird things, non-sensible things, inside his own head, do you see, and that’s all anyone has been saying this whole time.

The point is that it doesn't matter what crazy ideas pop up in this head briefly, he's not actually going to act on them, because reality is also floating around in his head.
 
It was reported live on the day by Sky News, first the Chief Whip went in to tell him in a VoNC only 65 MPs were likely to support him,, then about an hour latter they reported a resignation letter was being drawn-up, and after that, that he had signed it. He did his speech over 2 hours later, so plenty of time for careful wording that Johnson with agree too,

Impossible to find a source online now, as any search including 'Johnson' and 'resignation letter' returns results including all those 62 MPs that resigned, on a google news search almost 1.5 million results! :D
Well my only source for it is some fucking weirdo on the internet who says he saw it on telly.
 
To give some context to this, France varies enormasly. Much is still working class agricultural and in those regions the above is significantly less so. There of course is still racism, mainly directed at North African countries. Sadly. I live in the Gers, SW France, in a small hamlet, my neighbours are french, save for a Belgian and Egyptian couple. They hate the Parisians for the reasons you give, and also those from the Alsace regions for the same. I take your point, but just wanted to give a French perspective on it because France is huge and varies a lot. My nearest cities, Toulouse, Bordeaux, Montpellier, feel very similar to the multi cultural south London I left.
The racism expresses itself differently in different parts of the country. And differently from how it appears in the UK. But you're not going to convince me that Montpellier, long time heartland of the FN with FN MPs and voting massively for Le Pen is a place of racial harmony any more than Calais is.
 
I think it's very likely that Johnson will continue disrupt and fuck about throughout the leadership election. He loves attention. He loves power. That will not change. He will sell his backing to the highest bidder and seek to extract revenge on his enemies. He will definitely not keep his gob shut.
If I won I'd make him Northern Ireland secretary.
 
they really don't have anyone do they.All those that have declared so far have huge problems.Javid might be thought to be a frontrunner but he bears a striking resemblance to a dalek and in fact also sounds like one.
 
Twat. It's going to be him isn't it?


Not so sure. Sunak's standing is based to a large extent on the fact that for the first 18 months of the pandemic he was the only member of the government who did anything useful. But Hancock and Williamson and the rest, not to mention Johnson himself, were doing a great job of making sure he got disproportionate credit by all being so utterly useless. And no one's going to vote for him based on that, because that was pretty much the only situation in which Tories would regard the goverment successfully handing out wads of money (to the plebs, that is, rather than their mates with companies looking for govt contracts) as a positive achievement.
 
I think Sunak does have a constituency among Tory MP's, and there are probably more who will be reasonably happy to see him win purely because he'd be less of a total gangfuck than Johnson - but I think there will be many who look at him/family/wealth and see two years of dripping stories about novel tax arrangements and the like.

I don't see Shapps as being serious, it's simply about getting someone to buy him off with a cabinet job.
 
I think Sunak does have a constituency among Tory MP's, and there are probably more who will be reasonably happy to see him win purely because he'd be less of a total gangfuck than Johnson - but I think there will be many who look at him/family/wealth and see two years of dripping stories about novel tax arrangements and the like.

I don't see Shapps as being serious, it's simply about getting someone to buy him off with a cabinet job.

It's always worth keeping that in mind, isn't it. I'd see Braverman's and Badenoch's bids, at least, in a similar light - they'll possibly influence the tone of the campaign somewhat on their pet issues (which in both cases seem mainly to be how to pull up the ladder behind them...) and raise their own profiles for the future, but otherwise they're makeweights.
 
I genuinely have no idea at the moment who might win. I don't actually WANT any of them but alas it is not up to me.
It's definitely a case of who is least worse rather than who is best
 
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