Tory Death Spiral

[ska invita]

If BJ has to ask for an extension I don't believe he will stand down, he'll suck it up and get to call an election.I'd imagine it will be simple to spin the humiliation back on the 'westminster establishment Brexit blockers' too.

Nothing has fundamentally changed: there will be an election, BJ and Corbyn are both in it, and if BJ wins by enough then No Deal is still a real possibility (though personally I don't think that's what they're going for - though definitely wouldn't put it past them. Found a recent BBC interview with Bannon in which he said explicitly that IS what they are going for.. ).

 

[redsquirrel]

We aren't there yet. There are many days to come.
Popcorn.
E2A It will be interesting to see post-Wakefield polls. And then there's Scotland...

If you think the Tories will be blown to smithereens then you are going to be in for a disappointment.

The Leave vote is solid and a large proportion of that vote is aligned with the Conservatives, they have a good base and many of their target seats lean leave.

I'd be surprised if the polls did not narrow, you may even get a Labour majority government (unlikely IMO but not impossible) but the Tories are going to be either the largest or second largest party in the HoC.

 

[emanymton]

If you think the Tories will be blown to smithereens then you are going to be in for a disappointment.

The Leave vote is solid and a large proportion of that vote is aligned with the Conservatives, they have a good base and many of their target seats lean leave.

I'd be surprised if the polls did not narrow, you may even get a Labour majority government (unlikely IMO but not impossible) but the Tories are going to be either the largest or second largest party in the HoC.

A lot of people seem to be assuming Johnson and the Tories are a lot less popular then they actually are. I think whenever the next election comes some people will be in for a bit of a shock. Unless he absolutely shits the bed by revoking article 50 or something.

 

[Badgers]

 

[Pickman's model]

perhaps she should look around herself a bit more and then she might not be so proud of the shitstorm she's played a role in making

 

[Pickman's model]

A lot of people seem to be assuming Johnson and the Tories are a lot less popular then they actually are. I think whenever the next election comes some people will be in for a bit of a shock. Unless he absolutely shits the bed by revoking article 50 or something.

his shitting the bed when pissed has long been rumoured.

 

[butchersapron]

Not sure a current MP not standing in the next election is a rock solid tory (leave) seat means much death-wise. More like business as usual. The 2/2 says she is supporting Johnson and his strategy. And she was a remainer.

 

[Raheem]

A lot of people seem to be assuming Johnson and the Tories are a lot less popular then they actually are. I think whenever the next election comes some people will be in for a bit of a shock. Unless he absolutely shits the bed by revoking article 50 or something.

Johnson's popularity is mainly based on the notion of him being an alpha male who'll stand for no nonsense and sort everything out. That can't survive the process of him being given the chance and completely fucking it up, even if he'll probably be able to fool some of the people all of the time.

And the Tories don't seem to have anywhere new to go in terms of a Brexit strategy, because they burned all their bridges behind them.

 

[Teaboy]

Bunch of fucking cowards these 'moderates'. Its like when Corbyn became leader of Labour. Should they stay and fight for the soul of their party or do they fuck off at the first opportunity?

 

[emanymton]

Johnson's popularity is mainly based on the notion of him being an alpha male who'll stand for no nonsense and sort everything out. That can't survive the process of him being given the chance and completely fucking it up, even if he'll probably be able to fool some of the people all of the time.

And the Tories don't seem to have anywhere new to go in terms of a Brexit strategy, because they burned all their bridges behind them.

Yet, I still think they are more likely to win* the next election than Labour at present.

*by win, I mean have the most seats.

 

[WWWeed]

BJ got heckled to fuck in Leeds too. Kaura K from the BBC had to step in and save him.

I am sorry but any idea why did she got involved? Doesn't Borris have security staff?

Is she on the Tory payroll or something?

 

[Sprocket.]

his shitting the bed when pissed has long been rumoured.

And if not we could initiate it.

 

[WWWeed]

A lot of people seem to be assuming Johnson and the Tories are a lot less popular then they actually are. I think whenever the next election comes some people will be in for a bit of a shock. Unless he absolutely shits the bed by revoking article 50 or something.

Yup there are many Tory voters that will vote for them at any cost. I've never really got my head around how you can keep overlooking fuckups and purely nasty malicious actions?

 

[editor]

And now the Tories are turning against their own stupid ad campaign.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

Johnson is perceived at election dynamite

a recent scene at party central office

 

[Supine]

Fair play to the conservatives, when it comes to death spirals they really know how to fuck each other up

 

[SpineyNorman]

his shitting the bed when pissed has long been rumoured.

Who doesn't though

 

[Pickman's model]

Who doesn't though

I never did

 

[agricola]

Yup there are many Tory voters that will vote for them at any cost. I've never really got my head around how you can keep overlooking fuckups and purely nasty malicious actions?

Visit the right sort of golf club and that last bit might be more understandable.

 

[Supine]

I never did

Yet

 

[Pickman's model]

Yet

I don't drink so it's unlikely

 

[SpineyNorman]

Just me then

 

[mx wcfc]

If BJ has to ask for an extension I don't believe he will stand down, he'll suck it up and get to call an election.I'd imagine it will be simple to spin the humiliation back on the 'westminster establishment Brexit blockers' too.

Nothing has fundamentally changed: there will be an election, BJ and Corbyn are both in it, and if BJ wins by enough then No Deal is still a real possibility (though personally I don't think that's what they're going for - though definitely wouldn't put it past them. Found a recent BBC interview with Bannon in which he said explicitly that IS what they are going for.. ).

I have reached the point where a no deal brexit is the least of my concerns. A pre brexit election will result in a pro brexit parliament. There will be no deal and life will be grim. The real problem though is that after that we would have five years of a triumphant nasty far right government that will cut taxes on the rich and corporations, jump into bed with trump, sell the nhs and education and all public services and make life miserable for immigrants and all of us. Labour are absolutely right to avoid an election now. Sorry, but let the bastards have their no deal brexit and let that tear the Tories apart and make them unelectable for 25 years.

 

[William of Walworth]

watching johnson stumble around - incoherent, unfocused and half arsed like hes on a permanent chang come down - and seeing the dismay within tory ranks - a thought keeps coming to me; rather than this being a cynical master plan - have the tories, in making johnson leader and him going for a scorched earth approach - actually made an utterly monumental fuck up?

Loving your very clearly unspoken and obviously unstated "allegedly" there

But even without the aid of alcohol etc., some/most people in/working for the Tory Party are just completely shit/lazy/half-arsed anyway, even when it's 10 am

 

[William of Walworth]

(He posted over-complacently )

 

[William of Walworth]

What will the Tories spend all/any those recent donations from millionaires on then?

 

[elbows]

 

[Flavour]

keep it coming, cummings! great work so far

 

[Puddy_Tat]

going round teh tweeter

 

[Steel Icarus]

Politics 2019, where personality cults mesh with conspicuous consumerism