Toriers & Lib Dems, deal by Monday morning?

[treelover]

scroll down to earlier posts

http://www.libdemvoice.org/opinion-postelection-blues-19404.html

Tony Greaves is the epitome of the GSL

 

[treelover]

I’m a councillor who represents a normally Labour area, where Labour held firm on the “vote Lib Dem, get Tory” line. I have also spent most of my politically active life in areas where the Lib Dems fought the Tories, with Labour a distant third.

I’m deeply concerned about the prospect of a pact with the Tories. To me, the Tories stand for greed, city bankers, big business, the Poll Tax, lack of society and the promotion of inequity, all things which I’ve fought against for many years. To my constituents, the hatred for the Tories is verging on the viscereal, given what Thatcher did to our area (memories here are long and generally unforgiving.)

Do I believe that cuts should take place in the first year of a government? No. Am I concerned that a major defence contract for my ward is at threat from the Tories? Yes. Could I – as a councillor – support a government decision which is likely to mean job losses in my ward? No.

from a LD councillor


btw, the media seems to be ignoring the grassroots of all the parties, so much for the new politics.

 

[marty21]

borrowed from Twitter, if the deal goes ahead, we will be a ConDemNation

 

[belboid]

In pratical terms it does.

A governing party for all sorts of reasons cannot maintain a full turn out of MP's at Westminster. The Tories would refuse to enter any deal to twin with MP's from other parties and be constantly looking to sabotage all legislation along with having a very good case for proclaiming the illegitmacy of any English only legislation that gets through using Scottish and Welsh MP's votes.

It just aint pratical in any way, shape or form.

naah, make it time limited, agreed set of policies, even a contract (as thy do in germany), they could struggle by. And not get their arse whipped at the next GE

 

[belboid]

Tony Greaves is the epitome of the GSL

GSL?

 

[butchersapron]

gutless soft left

 

[treelover]

Ooops, grassroots lib dem, GLD, not the other, even though he is a baron

 

[frogwoman]

A lot of people will be extremely pissed off about this, especially because there are some genuine lefties in the lib dems and people who joined the lib dems because alot of the material displays them as being to the left of labour

 

[bi0boy]

A lot of people will be extremely pissed off about this, especially because there are some genuine lefties in the lib dems and people who joined the lib dems because alot of the material displays them as being to the left of labour

They have one sixth of the seats that the Conservatives have. Those lefties should regard the modification of some Tory policies as a much better outcome than they would normally expect from an election.

 

[butchersapron]

What modifications?

(See, this is the narrative i mentioned earlier being put in place in front of our eyes)

 

[Ms T]

Sky are saying a Tory/Lib deal is in place. As both parties are holding meetings of their MPs this afternoon, this seems likely.

 

[danny la rouge]

Sky are saying a Tory/Lib deal is in place. As both parties are holding meetings of their MPs this afternoon, this seems likely.

It does seem very likely. Unless the LibDem MPs grow a spine they can share.

 

[bi0boy]

What modifications?

(See, this is the narrative i mentioned earlier being put in place in front of our eyes)

Instead of the old kind of politics, a new kind of politics, and instead of simple change, fair change. Stuff like that.

 

[belboid]

It does seem very likely. Unless the LibDem MPs grow a spine they can share.

time to pull out Galloways best line again

 

[Fedayn]

time to pull out Galloways best line again

'I salute your courage, your strength and your indefatigability'?

 

[marty21]

'I salute your courage, your strength and your indefatigability'?

talking of George, has he said anything since he failed to win the seat? He didn't bother turning up for the count

 

[Santino]

talking of George, has he said anything since he failed to win the seat? He didn't bother turning up for the count

I think he might have said 'arse'.

 

[belboid]

'I salute your courage, your strength and your indefatigability'?

I was thinking more of his 'a shiver slid along their benches, lookng for a spine to run up', funnily enough

 

[Santino]

'Would you like me... to be the cat?'

 

[danny la rouge]

'Would you like me... to be the cat?'

 

[King Biscuit Time]

Clegg now has to go back to his MPs and explain to them that during the hours and hours of negotiations with the Tories, he now thinks the best thing for the Lib Dems would be if they join up with the Tories in exchange for a handful of magic beans.

I think Clegg (who will now look like a middle man to his own party) is going to have a hard job selling that to his MPs.

 

[Open Sauce]

Deal or no Deal?

Apparently no deal, Clegg been told to go back and get 'clarification' on Electoral Reform / Tax Reform and Education Reform and they are still 'listening to Labour'

 

[marty21]

I think he might have said 'arse'.

'Would you like me... to be the cat?'

make up your mind !

 

[free spirit]

from the bbc election blog

1508: Lib Dem MP Mike Hancock has emerged from the meeting between his party's negotiators and all of their MPs. He says there's been a mixed response to the offer put before them by the Conservatives,

1600: There's no deal yet it seems. Lib Dem education spokesman David Laws says progress has been made in talks between Nick Clegg and the Conservatives, but Lib Dem MPs have "asked for clarification" on some details, such as education funding, fair taxes and voting reform.

doesn't sound like cleggs going to be getting that 75% of MP's he needs very easily.... time for labours counter offer I reckon

 

[danny la rouge]

from the bbc election blog





doesn't sound like cleggs going to be getting that 75% of MP's he needs very easily.... time for labours counter offer I reckon

Mr Laws said Lib Dem MPs at the meeting agreed that the "central priority must be to form a strong and stable government in the national interest", with deficit reduction "at the heart" of any agreement. He said that while Lib Dems would continue to "listen" to representations from Gordon Brown, they were seeking "clarification" from the Tories and would try to make progress as soon as possible.

In other words "do a bit better, or we go to Labour".

 

[danny la rouge]

Laura agrees:

1612: The Lib Dems haven't rejected the deal out of hand, but they are upping the ante because they think they can squeeze a bit more out of the Conservatives. They've put the ball firmly back in the Tory court, says the BBC News channel's chief political correspondent Laura Kuenssberg.

 

[marty21]

Cameron needs to show Clegg more love, he ain't showing enough love

 

[ymu]

Laura agrees:

They've got no choice really. There's no point entering a coalition if the Whips can't keep the MPs in line. Plus the LD membership have to approve a deal as well, and they're somewhat to the left of the parliamentary party.

Trouble is (for those who want a coalition), the easier it is for the Lib Dem Whips the harder it is for the Tory ones - and more than half their MPs are newcomers, so they'll be frantically trying to work out how far they can go with a load of unknown quantities to manage.

Tory minority government, another election within the year, I reckon.

 

[stethoscope]

Deal or no Deal?

Apparently no deal, Clegg been told to go back and get 'clarification' on Electoral Reform / Tax Reform and Education Reform and they are still 'listening to Labour'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8671661.stm

Lib Dem MPs want more assurances on their key priorities - such as voting reforms - from the Tories, after a three-hour meeting with Nick Clegg.

He was updating his MPs, whose support he will need for any deal, on three days of talks with the Conservatives about forming a government.

Senior Lib Dem David Laws said they had also urged him to "listen" to Labour.

Mr Clegg earlier held meetings with David Cameron and with Gordon Brown. Tory MPs are due to meet later.

The meetings were arranged after what the the official Tory and Lib Dem negotiating teams called good "progress" was made in negotiations.

 

[free spirit]

Senior Lib Dem David Laws said they had also urged him to "listen" to Labour.