torchwood

[madzone]

John Gummer and mad cows disease?

That's what instantly came to my mind

 

[Leafster]

Johnson would be good. Cold, hard female characters in TV drama are pretty rare. TBH I didn't much like any of the Torchwood characters, remember how boring Ianto was before he got it on with Jack?

I wasn't that keen on all the original Torchwood characters either but think there should be some continuity in the transitional period rather than an abrupt change to what might almost be a completely new cast.

 

[madzone]

I'd struggle to sympathise with Jack now tbh. Did Gwen know what he did to his Grandson?

 

[Leafster]

I'd struggle to sympathise with Jack now tbh. Did Gwen know what he did to his Grandson?

I think, in part, that's because the solution to getting rid of the 456 was rushed. If we'd seen a development of the idea alongside the agonising realisation that the only solution to the problem was to use a child and the only available child was Jack's grandson then you might have more sympathy for Jack's dilemma.

 

[Balbi]

Perhaps it doesn't affect them on transmission, but does on reception?

Yeah, you can shout at someone so loud their eardrum will pop - but your ears don't.

 

[madzone]

I think, in part, that's because the solution to getting rid of the 456 was rushed. If we'd seen a development of the idea alongside the agonising realisation that the only solution to the problem was to use a child and the only available child was Jack's grandson then you might have more sympathy for Jack's dilemma.

Thing is though, unless it was rushed they would have had time to find another child. I think that by having to come up with an instant decision it was possible to almost believe that Stephen was the only option.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I disagree about the gunshots. It made me jump and then the pause between the third and the fourth was long enough to make you wonder whether he was going to kill himself or not.

Precisely.
Weirdly enough, by killing himself, his character regained some of the humanity it had lost through dealing so glibly with the 456.

 

[London_Calling]

We were all counting the bangs though.

 

[Balbi]

Thing is though, unless it was rushed they would have had time to find another child. I think that by having to come up with an instant decision it was possible to almost believe that Stephen was the only option.

Split second decision to be the bastard, Jack stopped being Captain Cheesecake this week and got back to where the character was before tossy series 1 and 2!

Gwens bloke and Ianto's BiL win the awards for most realistic non-sci fi gabbling men

 

[Iguana]

Thing is though, unless it was rushed they would have had time to find another child. I think that by having to come up with an instant decision it was possible to almost believe that Stephen was the only option.

Yup, they could probably have gotten some kid who was fatally ill and would have died in the next few days anyway. Not nice, but pragmatic and not as heart-wrenching. In fact fatally ill kid would probably have liked the chance to save the world through their death.

It had to be instant or there wouldn't really have been any dilemma. And if the government hadn't tried to destroy Torchwood they would have had hours to work it out.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

What exactly was the reason for the government trying to destroy Torchwood again??

 

[Belushi]

What exactly was the reason for the government trying to destroy Torchwood again??

To prevent anyone discovering what theyd done in '65.

 

[Leafster]

What exactly was the reason for the government trying to destroy Torchwood again??

Wasn't it because Jack knew what happened in 1965 and perhaps he might have told the rest of the Torchwood team.

 

[gnoriac]

I wasn't that keen on all the original Torchwood characters either but think there should be some continuity in the transitional period rather than an abrupt change to what might almost be a completely new cast.

They've also got rid of the Torchwood HQ, so I'm guessing it either means the programme's finito (doubt that'd please the BBC's accountants after this week's ratings) or the next series will effectively start from scratch.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

i'm guessing jack has run off into space so he can bump into the doctor in the next who special

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

To prevent anyone discovering what theyd done in '65.

Bit lame though isn't it?


I mean if you don't want people to talk, then you shoot them there and then.

OR

You get the only people that know any damn thing about it to help? I mean they did call Unit in.

OR


At least get Jack to give information, before attempting to waste him (and the entire Torchwood team)?


My boyfreind has just said, if you wnated an even more fucked up ending, they should have channeled the frequency through Gwen's foetus.

 

[Iguana]

Perhaps Gwen will go in search of the missing Scottish Torchwood?

 

[PacificOcean]

I really enjoyed it.

I don't feel the need to deconstruct it like were some A-Level Media Studies project.

It was an enjoyable five nights of quite dark (for mainstream BBC1) hookum during the summer.

So there were plot holes that you could drive a bus through, but who cares?

According to the ratings, a lot of other people agreed.

It was better than the usual shite of Celebrity Masterchef and Traffic Cops that BBC1 usualy serves up.

 

[pigtails]

I really enjoyed it.

I don't feel the need to deconstruct it like were some A-Level Media Studies project.

It was an enjoyable five nights of quite dark (for mainstream BBC1) hookum during the summer.

So there were plot holes that you could drive a bus through, but who cares?

According to the ratings, a lot of other people agreed.

It was better than the usual shite of Celebrity Masterchef and Traffic Cops that BBC1 usualy serves up.

^^
This, exactly!

 

[Balbi]

Biggest plot hole for me, that I don't mind, is that there's no way the U.K military would round up the kids like that. If the order came down from on high, even with the caveat 'it's them or you', whoever gave the order wouldn't last very long at all.

 

[madzone]

I really enjoyed it.

I don't feel the need to deconstruct it like were some A-Level Media Studies project.

It was an enjoyable five nights of quite dark (for mainstream BBC1) hookum during the summer.

So there were plot holes that you could drive a bus through, but who cares?

According to the ratings, a lot of other people agreed.

It was better than the usual shite of Celebrity Masterchef and Traffic Cops that BBC1 usualy serves up.

^^^^

*applauds*

 

[PacificOcean]

Biggest plot hole for me, that I don't mind, is that there's no way the U.K military would round up the kids like that. If the order came down from on high, even with the caveat 'it's them or you', whoever gave the order wouldn't last very long at all.

It was mentioned in the programme that the soldiers were told that their familes would be saved if they rounded up the other kids.

Really, do people not pay attention anymore?

 

[Balbi]

It was mentioned in the programme that the soldiers were told that their familes would be saved if they rounded up the other kids.

Really, do people not pay attention anymore?

Yeah, like I said - wouldn't bloody happen It's like that report they did into the U.K forces after Waco, said something along the lines of 'If we try that here, the military would go postal on the government'

 

[London_Calling]

It was better than the usual shite of Celebrity Masterchef and Traffic Cops that BBC1 usualy serves up.

And about 10 times more expensive.

Not to mention where you get the talent to write this stuff - it is a finite and very scarce resource.


People are so fucking glib about what it takes to create stuff of this quality. You think every other country does it?

 

[Belushi]

It's like that report they did into the U.K forces after Waco, said something along the lines of 'If we try that here, the military would go postal on the government'

I dont believe that for a second, you only need to look at the way soldiers behaved at times in NI against British civilians.

 

[London_Calling]

I dont believe that for a second, you only need to look at the way soldiers behaved at times in NI against British civilians.

I think the point was they didn't want to be British citizens, or subjects as it was at the time.

 

[Belushi]

I think the point was they didn't want to be British citizens, or subjects as it was at the time.

I dont think theyre motivation would really matter to troops following orders, it certainly doesnt to the Police.

Im also not convinced the Government commissioned a report after Waco.

 

[BlueSquareThing]

The problem of how to get rid of the 456 was solved in a matter of about ooh 30 seconds, with little explantion.

I thought that was a strenght actually. Allowed the story to be about the people involved and the whole moral thingummy rather than a kooky science thing.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

ISo there were plot holes that you could drive a bus through, but who cares?

According to the ratings, a lot of other people agreed.

It was better than the usual shite of Celebrity Masterchef and Traffic Cops that BBC1 usualy serves up.

I cared. I personally find it hard to reconcile anything with gaping plot holes in it. It's the one thing that really bugs me. I could almost forgive anything else. Bad SFX don't bug me but plot holes do.

Besides, if you don't expect quality, then you just won't get qulity. Which is exactly why gumph like traffic cops and celeb masterchef keep getting recommissioned. Enough people watch it.

But then, if people are happy to watch it, then that's up to them too. I just feel a little let down. That's not to say I didn't enjoy it. Becuase I did. I'd probably watch the next one too.

RE: Re-casting the torchwood team. That's exactly what they did with Teachers after series 2, and it really suffered for it. Although those cast dissapearances weren't really explained so it's a bit different.

 

[madzone]

I cared. I personally find it hard to reconcile anything with gaping plot holes in it. It's the one thing that really bugs me. I could almost forgive anything else. Bad SFX don't bug me but plot holes do.

Besides, if you don't expect quality, then you just won't get qulity. Which is exactly why gumph like traffic cops and celeb masterchef keep getting recommissioned. Enough people watch it.

But then, if people are happy to watch it, then that's up to them too. I just feel a little let down. That's not to say I didn't enjoy it. Becuase I did. I'd probably watch the next one too.

RE: Re-casting the torchwood team. That's exactly what they did with Teachers after series 2, and it really suffered for it. Although those cast dissapearances weren't really explained so it's a bit different.

You're clearly in a minority.