Torchwood: Miracle Day

[kabbes]

Anybody that is seeking to defend it: can you please give us a précis of the plot that actually makes sense of any of the questions being raised in this thread?

 

[Kizmet]

I didn't see it, so don't know what you're talking about. Probably caught one episode. Thought it was boring.

 

[Kizmet]

True power lies behind a throne not on it.
They intend to rule from the shadows.

Who rules angels?

 

[Kizmet]

Anybody that is seeking to defend it: can you please give us a précis of the plot that actually makes sense of any of the questions being raised in this thread?

Which questions?

The plot was fairly simple... three powerful families get hold of a number of artifacts of significance. They use them to try and become gods. Jack stops them. Rex by accident inherits jack's immortality.

 

[Kizmet]

Sorry... Gwen stops them.

 

[Gromit]

Who rules angels?

The Governance of Deities squad. A regulatory body made up of an expert panel.

 

[kabbes]

Which questions?

The plot was fairly simple... three powerful families get hold of a number of artifacts of significance. They use them to try and become gods. Jack stops them. Rex by accident inherits jack's immortality.

That doesn't answer any of the questions.

 

[Kizmet]

I don't disagree with you about content of the plot being adult themed but it's the way it was written that comes across as childish.

In what way? I thought some of the writing was genuinely chilling.

 

[Kizmet]

That doesn't answer any of the questions.

Which questions?

 

[Kizmet]

The Governance of Deities squad. A regulatory body made up of an expert panel.

The universe, infinity and Simon Cowell?

 

[Termite Man]

Which questions?

The plot was fairly simple... three powerful families get hold of a number of artifacts of significance. They use them to try and become gods. Jack stops them. Rex by accident inherits jack's immortality.

Thats fair enough but this is where I'm coming from with the childish plot, it is a very simple plot that could have been done in a much shorter series without all the filler, and it's the filler that makes no sense.

 

[Gromit]

The universe, infinity and Simon Cowell?

Robbie Williams is currently sitting in for infinity (concentrating on a breaking America solo) whilst God is filling in for Cowell (but will be turfed out when Simon returns for the live finals)

 

[kabbes]

Which questions?

Here are just some of the many posts that raise questions about the plot:

At times it felt like it was a proper 13 part US series which had had its budget slashed, necessitating half of every episode to take place on one set.

I like how the evidence of the traitor was texted to that guy's phone at the very last minute. It's literally what a child would come up with.
'And then, and then the software with that lady's name is sent to his phone.'

'How, Russell? How does that happen?'

'I don't know, it JUST DOES.'

These three families had everything. They had control of politics, finance, corporations, the lot. Their members lived literally like old-school aristocracy. So what exactly was their interest in destroying the society that was keeping them living like this?

What agenda? Srs, what was Danes saying and why was this so important to the families? A bunch of bland statements about painkillers being important?

Leaving aside the fact that if you wanted to create a populist leader to carry a message, you'd surely start from anywhere other than a notorious rapist-paedophile-murderer?

Pretty much every single thing that I can think of about that plot made no sense whatsoever.

How did they know that putting Jack's blood in both holes would result in the whole world becoming immortal? It's not like it's a thesis you can test. And yet they'd planned for it.

And their plan involved... what? Stockpiling painkillers? That's it?

How did the death camps actually help the families in any way?

None of it made remotely any sense.

What was the point of Danes to the plan? What WAS the plan? Why hadn't they blown up the Blessing holes months ago?

'And then, and then, the man shoots someone and he dies...'

'But I thought people couldn't die?'

'And then the Director of the CIA walks in...'

'Hang on, where's he come from? Why wasn't he in the CIA office earlier?'

'And then, and then...'

 

[Kizmet]

Technically I did it in a paragraph... but it was nowhere near as much fun. And CIA headquarters didn't get blown up! Plus charlotte's touch of sending the translator in to get blown up just because she hated her... what a bitch!

 

[Termite Man]

In what way? I thought some of the writing was genuinely chilling.

I'm not disagreeing with you in those terms, as an adult sticking in some sex or gore doesn't make something adult for me , it needs to have some level of complexity to the plot (and by complexity I mean stuff that makes sense not just crap thrown in to suddenly to explain something) and this didn't have that.

A great example is the flashback episode, they need to get the bit where the families get jacks blood so they just stick it in and then next episode it suddenly becomes relevant, it was a fucking awful plot device and to be honest it was really poor writing, I can imagine the writers thought process when they realise they needed to introduce jacks lover as a significant character so they threw the flashback episode to get round it. The idea that a new character has to be shoehorned in like that rather than introduced as a gradual process leaving you to wonder about their significance over a few episodes than how it was done, is quite frankly an insult to my intelligence.

 

[Pingu]

on a sliding scale from shite to OMFG i rated that series as "meh"

way too disjointed

 

[Gromit]

My biggest gripe of the gay lover arc was the abduction, turned into come meet the man behind the miracle, turned into actually he knows fuck all it was the family wot dun it (and we know fuck all about them too, other than their names).

 

[kabbes]

That is indeed a very big gripe, but is it the biggest gripe? Tough call, tough call.

 

[gsv]

Anybody that is seeking to defend it: can you please give us a précis of the plot that actually makes sense of any of the questions being raised in this thread?

The plot holes are plot holes. They don't really matter. If it had been tight - a ride - you wouldn't really give a shit.

GS(v)

 

[London_Calling]

Perhaps one of the problems might be RDT is having difficulty moving from teatime tv to grown up tv - you can paper over a lot more nonsense at 6.00pm on a Saturday on the basis it had to be made simple because of the demographic.

What's RTD's best effort in relation to adult programming?

 

[gsv]

Queer as Folk

GS(v)

 

[Kizmet]

Here are just some of the many posts that raise questions about the plot:

Okay... point by point if possible.

1. Smart phone. Not really that difficult.
2. Immortality and deification.
3. Danes introduced the concept of category zero and served as a mouthpiece for the "angels" plotline. His use to the family was incidental and he was told as such at the end. He gave himself purpose... but for inhuman reasons.
4. a) How did they know? Perhaps they tried one at a time and it did nothing... perhaps their research turned up an old legend about immortal blood? I'm not sure it matters. They is powerful...had lots of time and growing resources.
b) Phase 1. They never got to phase 2. The painkillers and death camps were for general population control.
5. They needed to remove jack and all his blood first? Not sure, really.
6. not sure what you're referring to.

 

[Kizmet]

I'm not disagreeing with you in those terms, as an adult sticking in some sex or gore doesn't make something adult for me , it needs to have some level of complexity to the plot (and by complexity I mean stuff that makes sense not just crap thrown in to suddenly to explain something) and this didn't have that.

A great example is the flashback episode, they need to get the bit where the families get jacks blood so they just stick it in and then next episode it suddenly becomes relevant, it was a fucking awful plot device and to be honest it was really poor writing, I can imagine the writers thought process when they realise they needed to introduce jacks lover as a significant character so they threw the flashback episode to get round it. The idea that a new character has to be shoehorned in like that rather than introduced as a gradual process leaving you to wonder about their significance over a few episodes than how it was done, is quite frankly an insult to my intelligence.

It didn't seem shoehorned at all. Although that episode did focus a bit too much on building a history to their relationship.

 

[Kizmet]

My biggest gripe of the gay lover arc was the abduction, turned into come meet the man behind the miracle, turned into actually he knows fuck all it was the family wot dun it (and we know fuck all about them too, other than their names).

Bait.

 

[kabbes]

Okay... point by point if possible.

1. Smart phone. Not really that difficult.
2. Immortality and deification.
3. Danes introduced the concept of category zero and served as a mouthpiece for the "angels" plotline. His use to the family was incidental and he was told as such at the end. He gave himself purpose... but for inhuman reasons.
4. a) How did they know? Perhaps they tried one at a time and it did nothing... perhaps their research turned up an old legend about immortal blood? I'm not sure it matters. They is powerful...had lots of time and growing resources.
b) Phase 1. They never got to phase 2. The painkillers and death camps were for general population control.
5. They needed to remove jack and all his blood first? Not sure, really.
6. not sure what you're referring to.

None of that actually works though at anything other than the most surface of responses. They raise more questions than they answer. Many of the questions that your responses raise have been mentioned in this very thread.

Oh well, if you're satisfied then so be it, I suppose. Very few others are.

 

[London_Calling]

Queer as Folk

GS(v)

I don't know that either. Oh well.

 

[Termite Man]

Although that episode did focus a bit too much on building a history to their relationship.

I think thats sort of the definition of shoehorned, especially when a flashback method of advancing plot hadn't been used before in the series (or after)

 

[DexterTCN]

sounds like some of the puzzles in that Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Game

You don't have any more fish.

 

[Gromit]

That is indeed a very big gripe, but is it the biggest gripe? Tough call, tough call.

Bait.

Well it was some great big conspiracy thread just to give them one small lead after them hitting a deadend.

So Torchwood the most secret dohdad on the planet, his organisation was able to find out heaps and heaps about them, including the existance of a super dangerous alien tech null field.
Yet all those resources were unable to find out fook all about the company and they didn't use them as a resource from that point onwards.

 

[Pseudopsycho]

You don't have any more fish.

I wish I had some fish, I'm stuck arguing with a door on the heart of gold