Torchwood: Miracle Day

[ginger_syn]

Overall I've enoyed the series, I liked the slower pace of the episodes and I'm glad they avoided making a poor copy of the CoE format. Admittedly they could have made the episodes bit meatier in places and a bit of deeper characterization here or there wouldn't have gone amiss but its not so much of an issue that it spoilt anything for me. I will hope to see some new Torchwood at some time but I suppose as freddie says its in the lap of the gods.

 

[killer b]

has everything russell t davies been involved with been a total embarrassment? i can't understand why he isn't signing on...

 

[London_Calling]

In the little I saw I was left with a strong sense - not dissimilar to Children of God - that RTD really, really wants to commentate on contemporary politics on both sides of the Atlantic, and as between both sides.

Aslo, I noticed at the end of this that Jane Tranter was an Executive Producer along with RTD.....

 

[kabbes]

These three families had everything. They had control of politics, finance, corporations, the lot. Their members lived literally like old-school aristocracy. So what exactly was their interest in destroying the society that was keeping them living like this?

 

[Pseudopsycho]

Good old megalomaniac eugenicist policies I think.
Was rather amused by Captain Jack having to make the ultimate sacrifice by pouring his essence into the massive gash...
...and at the end both me and the missus were shouting "not so special now are you, Jack?!"

Generally underwhelmed and annoying but still worth watching at 9pm on a thursday

 

[London_Calling]

These three families had everything. They had control of politics, finance, corporations, the lot. Their members lived literally like old-school aristocracy. So what exactly was their interest in destroying the society that was keeping them living like this?

You mean like New Labour, the Etonians and the Lib Dems?

I didn't see enough of it to get a sense of anything. Maybe there was that blood of Christ thing going on, but it felt like one of those dinners where you have nothing in the house and just put random items in the pasta sauce.

 

[kabbes]

Eugenicist policies in order to achieve...?

Basically, it was:

1. Make everybody immortal
2. ???
3. Profit.

 

[kabbes]

it felt like one of those dinners where you have nothing in the house and just put random items in the pasta sauce.

 

[Termite Man]

The point of Danes was because the the family needed someone in the public eye to push their agenda along while staying hidden themselves, he should have been killed off earlier though.

 

[Pseudopsycho]

Kill off a load of unworthies (for the lols) and then rebuild the world as their own personal fiefdoms where they could ostentatiously rule as neo-pharoahs?

[/straw clutching]

 

[kabbes]

The point of Danes was because the the family needed someone in the public eye to push their agenda along while staying hidden themselves, he should have been killed off earlier though.

What agenda? Srs, what was Danes saying and why was this so important to the families? A bunch of bland statements about painkillers being important?

Leaving aside the fact that if you wanted to create a populist leader to carry a message, you'd surely start from anywhere other than a notorious rapist-paedophile-murderer?

Pretty much every single thing that I can think of about that plot made no sense whatsoever.

 

[Santino]

These three families had everything. They had control of politics, finance, corporations, the lot. Their members lived literally like old-school aristocracy. So what exactly was their interest in destroying the society that was keeping them living like this?

Immortality?

 

[Pseudopsycho]

Recognition for being better than everyone else?

 

[Termite Man]

What agenda? Srs, what was Danes saying and why was this so important to the families? A bunch of bland statements about painkillers being important?

Leaving aside the fact that if you wanted to create a populist leader to carry a message, you'd surely start from anywhere other than a notorious rapist-paedophile-murderer?

Pretty much every single thing that I can think of about that plot made no sense whatsoever.

did they create danes or use him because he was a good resource that they found? I agree he was fairly pointless but I get the impression that the people writing the programme didn't think that.

 

[kabbes]

Immortality?

It wasn't proper immortality though. You still got fucked up, you just had to then cope with an eternity of being a living helpless corpse. That's even shittier than dying.

 

[kabbes]

did they create danes or use him because he was a good resource that they found? I agree he was fairly pointless but I get the impression that the people writing the programme didn't think that.

Yes, they created him as a populist leader. He was in the process of disappearing into being a punching bag for the mob and they brought him back into the limelight. And they stage managed him to try to make him a leader. I can't imagine a worse choice.

And what was their agenda anyway? What was it they actually wanted Danes to lead the mob into thinking? "We should have painkillers". Is that it?

 

[Termite Man]

Yes, they created him as a populist leader. He was in the process of disappearing into being a punching bag for the mob and they brought him back into the limelight. And they stage managed him to try to make him a leader. I can't imagine a worse choice.

And what was their agenda anyway? What was it they actually wanted Danes to lead the mob into thinking? "We should have painkillers". Is that it?

Fuck knows. There doesn't seem to be any logic in the motivation of what the Families were doing throughout the series. I get the impression the actual reasons for the miracle weren't as important as the miracle itself for the writers.

 

[kabbes]

I love the implied thought process.

"Hmm, we have some blood of an immortal man. The blood doesn't seem to do anything at all, but we'll hold onto it."
"Hmm, we have found a giant vagina that runs through the earth. We don't know anything about it or what it does in any way, but it looks like it's important."
"I know! We'll feed some of that useless immortal man's blood into both ends of the giant vagina at exactly the same moment (ignoring the fact that relativistic effects mean that there is no such thing as "exactly the same moment") despite the fact that they are antipodes and the organisation of managing it will be tricky. That will be bound to do something really cool."
"Yeah, and we should spend 10 years stockpiling painkillers first, just in case."

lolwut

 

[Pseudopsycho]

"Hmm, we have some blood of an immortal man. The blood doesn't seem to do anything at all, but we'll hold onto it."
"Hmm, we have found a giant vagina that runs through the earth. We don't know anything about it or what it does in any way, but it looks like it's important."
"I know! We'll feed some of that useless immortal man's blood into both ends of the giant vagina at exactly the same moment

sounds like some of the puzzles in that Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Game

 

[gsv]

The more I think about it, the more it feels like RTD wrote a 5-parter. Then Starz demanded a 10-part series and he had to write 5 whole episodes of padding, like that "dead is dead" woman harridan.

GS(v)

 

[Kizmet]

I thought it was brilliant.

The slow pace allowed time for a few subplots about the effect of immortality on society and Bill Pullman was excellent as Danes. How creepy was it to hear him growl "Susie, keep running I'm coming get you!" while simultaneously killing himself. Awesome writing.

And I'm a little in love with Glen Cooper. I resisted for the longest time... but Danes was right - she is magnificent!

Also Rex. Saw it coming, glad it did...

.. dunno, been a long time since I've enjoyed a series like this one.

Good tv is like great sex.... it's gripping at first... there's a bit where you're not sure what's going on... all of a sudden it starts to get a bit intense and then you come to a massive climax that leaves you satisfied but also wanting more. And also, the older you get the longer you have to wait before you can do it again..

 

[kabbes]

You're kidding, right? That has to be sarcasm.

 

[Gromit]

These three families had everything. They had control of politics, finance, corporations, the lot. Their members lived literally like old-school aristocracy. So what exactly was their interest in destroying the society that was keeping them living like this?

They want to rule the world, seas will rise when they give the word.
To roll the dice, feel the fear in their enemy's eyes.

 

[Kizmet]

You're kidding, right? That has to be sarcasm.

Perhaps you just have higher standards than me? Truth be told I don't watch many tv series' anymore. Mostly because they are shit. So I don't have much to compare it with.

This, however, was not shit. I liked who I was meant to like, felt what I was meant to feel and was eager to know what happens next. So I enjoyed every second of it.

If having poor taste means I get to enjoy a series as much as this...

 

[Termite Man]

Perhaps you just have higher standards than me? Truth be told I don't watch many tv series' anymore. Mostly because they are shit. So I don't have much to compare it with.

This, however, was not shit. I liked who I was meant to like, felt what I was meant to feel and was eager to know what happens next. So I enjoyed every second of it.

If having poor taste means I get to enjoy a series as much as this...

I think most people must have higher standards than you

I think the main problem with Torchwood is it wants to be an adult Doctor Who but it didn't treat it's audience like adults in terms of plot and dialogue.

 

[Kizmet]

They want to rule the world, seas will rise when they give the word.
To roll the dice, feel the fear in their enemy's eyes.

Controlling or ruling... hiding or being worshipped? Phase 1? Plan B?

Questions.

 

[Kizmet]

I think most people must have higher standards than you

It's true. I'm easy to please.

I think the main problem with Torchwood is it wants to be an adult Doctor Who but it didn't treat it's audience like adults in terms of plot and dialogue.

Putting aside Doctor Who (which has lost it)... I thought MD had some very adult themes, the use of a gay lover to draw Jack out... the dead is dead/only doing what I'm told furnace subplot. And you can't tell me that Danes unrepentant hero wasn't an incredibly adult character.

 

[kabbes]

The biggest problem that Miracle Day had was Children of Earth.

 

[Gromit]

Controlling or ruling... hiding or being worshipped? Phase 1? Plan B?

Questions.

True power lies behind a throne not on it.
They intend to rule from the shadows.

 

[Termite Man]

It's true. I'm easy to please.

Putting aside Doctor Who (which has lost it)... I thought MD had some very adult themes, the use of a gay lover to draw Jack out... the dead is dead/only doing what I'm told furnace subplot. And you can't tell me that Danes unrepentant hero wasn't an incredibly adult character.

I don't disagree with you about content of the plot being adult themed but it's the way it was written that comes across as childish.