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Torchwood: Miracle Day

The biggest problem I have with Torchwood is that it's a 10 episode series and people seem to have watched all of it, when they didn't even think it made any sense. Only 1 person seems to have liked it yet we all watched on as it became ever more ludicrous .
 
Termite Man said:
The biggest problem I have with Torchwood is that it's a 10 episode series and people seem to have watched all of it, when they didn't even think it made any sense. Only 1 person seems to have liked it yet we all watched on as it became ever more ludicrous .
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I'll have you know I ditched it just over halfway through and I was right to do so.
 
Termite Man said:
The biggest problem I have with Torchwood is that it's a 10 episode series and people seem to have watched all of it, when they didn't even think it made any sense. Only 1 person seems to have liked it yet we all watched on as it became ever more ludicrous .
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I'd downloaded all ten episodes anyway, on the grounds that Children of Earth was good. So it gave me something to watch whilst I was making dinner and suchlike.

It had some entertainment value, it's just that it was massively disappointing and ludicrous in its internal inconsistency.
 
Termite Man said:
I think thats sort of the definition of shoehorned, especially when a flashback method of advancing plot hadn't been used before in the series (or after)
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I don't think what method they used as a device matters. I just felt they may have shoehorned in some hot man on man action.. but while it's not my cup of tea, I don't find it offensive. And I thought it was well done.
 
kabbes said:
None of that actually works though at anything other than the most surface of responses. They raise more questions than they answer. Many of the questions that your responses raise have been mentioned in this very thread.

Oh well, if you're satisfied then so be it, I suppose. Very few others are.
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Beyond that I'm not sure you can expect any tv show to furnish you with a history and justification for every action that takes place. I can't think of any that don't contain similar holes... often much worse. Can you?
 
Kizmet said:
I don't think what method they used as a device matters.
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Of course it matters, unless the only reason you watch telly is to feel the light on your face.

A bad plot can be saved by decent story-telling, but that was piss-poor.
 
GSV made a good point earlier about how it would have worked if it was tight- action films often work on this principle of plot holes you could drive a bus (at 50mph) through but it doesn't matter cos it is crash bang wallop, day saved, fights had and pithy dialouge exchanged. Stretching it like you are using the last bit of butter on some dry toast leaves one feeling unsatisfied. Which is why I sacked it off when I realised that they were going to keep doing episodes where nothing happened and when it did you'd had enough time to consider how stupid it was. Imagin Con Air stretched out to the length of extended version LOTR. It just doesn't work, you can railroad the audience through a shit plot with good lines and relentless pacing. Give em time to think, well then you have to have some substance.

I ended up sacking it to watch Jeremy Irons veer between kindly old father and rutheless cunt in Borgias. And that had a much better homoerotic scene in it as well.
 
Kizmet said:
Why does it matter?
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do you not read or watch films or anything?

Imagine if someone was telling you a joke then suddenly just before the punch line adds something really important they had forgotten to include because otherwise the joke wouldn't make sense, the flashback was like that.
 
A duck walks into a bar and orders a pint

the barman looks astounded and says 'your a talking duck' , the duck looks at the barman and replies 'of course I'm a talking duck , how else do you think I'm going to order a beer' . So the duck drinks his beer and waddles off.
The next day the same thing happens , and the day after that and the day after that.
The next day a clown walks in and asks for a pint , the baraman says to him ' are you from the circus thats just pulled into town' , the clown looks a bit confused and says' of course I am , do you think I dress like a clown for fun' , the barman thinks for a bit and replies ' I guess not , are you always on the look the out for a new act in your circus because I know of one that would bring the crowds in from miles around, I'll mention it to him next time he comes in'. The clown looks ecstatic about this because the circus isn't doing as well as it used to now that x factor is the tv so he is very keen to hear from the barmans amazing act.

Later that day the duck comes in for his pint and the barman says to him ' I have the perfect job opportunity for you, you know that circus thats just pulled into town you could get a job there and you would make loads of money'

The duck looks at the barman in what can onlt be described as a puzzled expression ' the circus? you mean that big canvas tent over in the empty field'

The barman says 'of course thats the only circus in town.

So the duck looks at him, I forgot to mention the duck was working on the building site opposite the pub and he was coming in for a lunchtime pint each day, and says ' but why would they need a plasterer'
 
Termite Man said:
A duck walks into a bar and orders a pint

the barman looks astounded and says 'your a talking duck' , the duck looks at the barman and replies 'of course I'm a talking duck , how else do you think I'm going to order a beer' . So the duck drinks his beer and waddles off.
The next day the same thing happens , and the day after that and the day after that.
The next day a clown walks in and asks for a pint , the baraman says to him ' are you from the circus thats just pulled into town' , the clown looks a bit confused and says' of course I am , do you think I dress like a clown for fun' , the barman thinks for a bit and replies ' I guess not , are you always on the look the out for a new act in your circus because I know of one that would bring the crowds in from miles around, I'll mention it to him next time he comes in'. The clown looks ecstatic about this because the circus isn't doing as well as it used to now that x factor is the tv so he is very keen to hear from the barmans amazing act.

Later that day the duck comes in for his pint and the barman says to him ' I have the perfect job opportunity for you, you know that circus thats just pulled into town you could get a job there and you would make loads of money'

The duck looks at the barman in what can onlt be described as a puzzled expression ' the circus? you mean that big canvas tent over in the empty field'

The barman says 'of course thats the only circus in town.

So the duck looks at him, I forgot to mention the duck was working on the building site opposite the pub and he was coming in for a lunchtime pint each day, and says ' but why would they need a plasterer'
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Brilliant.
 
Just watched the last one. I actually enjoyed it. Picked up the pace a bit, no new storylines that went nowhere, and some special effects and alien stuff. THAT'S ALL I ASK FOR RUSSELL WOTSIT
 
Termite Man said:
I think thats sort of the definition of shoehorned, especially when a flashback method of advancing plot hadn't been used before in the series (or after)
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Yeah it had. Torchwood has always been in part about Jack's past and how the flashbacks we see relate to the episode they are in.

In series 1 we saw Jack as a soldier in 1909. In Series 2 we saw flashbacks to Jack and Grey on their home planet as children. We also saw what happened when Jack first got back to earth in 1869 after leaving Satellite 5, how he ended up in Torchwood, how he interacted with the previous Torchwood team, how they were all killed and how Tosh, Owen and Ianto were recruited. We also saw brief shots in Series 3 of Jack bringing the first 12 children to the 456.
 
Santino said:
Of course it matters, unless the only reason you watch telly is to feel the light on your face.
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:D
That is strange. Should I feel the light on my face when I watch TV? Mine doesn't have that effect. Perhaps I need to adjust it in some way; at least it would give me a reason to leave it on when the programmes turn to crap.
 
Iguana said:
Yeah it had. Torchwood has always been in part about Jack's past and how the flashbacks we see relate to the episode they are in.

In series 1 we saw Jack as a soldier in 1909. In Series 2 we saw flashbacks to Jack and Grey on their home planet as children. We also saw what happened when Jack first got back to earth in 1869 after leaving Satellite 5, how he ended up in Torchwood, how he interacted with the previous Torchwood team, how they were all killed and how Tosh, Owen and Ianto were recruited. We also saw brief shots in Series 3 of Jack bringing the first 12 children to the 456.
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I was talking specifically about this series though, they would have been better spreading the flashbacks over the series leaving you guessing on their significance rather than just putting in 1 episode of pretty much all flashback just before the first part of that the flashback becomes significant. It's not the flashback I have a problem with it's how they used it that was poor storytelling.

Like the joke example I gave, the information given about the duck working on a building site can be mentioned at the start of the joke in a way that it doesn't seem too significant then as the joke goes on it's meaning becomes apparent. If the detail about the duck being a plasterer is revealed just before the punchline the joke is the same but it doesn't work as well.
 
wish to see those people photographed with a copy of the days Times and a sign saying 'i loved torchwood' or else I shall have to consider you to be inventing imaginary support for your laughable claim that anyone really enjoyed this latest series
 
It was meh,

could have been condensed into about three episodes which would have made it more exciting..........more padding than a really padded thing
 
Hocus Eye. said:
:D
That is strange. Should I feel the light on my face when I watch TV? Mine doesn't have that effect. Perhaps I need to adjust it in some way; at least it would give me a reason to leave it on when the programmes turn to crap.
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I have a feeling Santino sits *really* close to the telly... it's very possibly the closest thing to sunlight he ever sees...

;)
 
Ok... I'll admit it. I enjoyed it!

000cgqfc
 
Termite Man said:
do you not read or watch films or anything?

Imagine if someone was telling you a joke then suddenly just before the punch line adds something really important they had forgotten to include because otherwise the joke wouldn't make sense, the flashback was like that.
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Except it was halfway through the series... which was a fairly natural point to introduce the subplot.
 
Termite Man said:
I was talking specifically about this series though, they would have been better spreading the flashbacks over the series leaving you guessing on their significance rather than just putting in 1 episode of pretty much all flashback just before the first part of that the flashback becomes significant. It's not the flashback I have a problem with it's how they used it that was poor storytelling.

Like the joke example I gave, the information given about the duck working on a building site can be mentioned at the start of the joke in a way that it doesn't seem too significant then as the joke goes on it's meaning becomes apparent. If the detail about the duck being a plasterer is revealed just before the punchline the joke is the same but it doesn't work as well.
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An Englishman, an Irish man and Scotsman are all doing something.

The Englishman says something clever, the scotsman says something drink related and the Irishman says something dumb and ends up with a pineapple up his bum.
 
Kizmet said:
Except it was halfway through the series... which was a fairly natural point to introduce the subplot.
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but it wasn't a sub-plot, it was the information that the entire series relied on, how the families got the blood to create the miracle, I think the fact that you see it as a sub-plot really highlights the failure in the story telling that you can't identify what is important plot and what is filler sub-plot.
 
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