deke t lefel
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maybe a better way to use your intellect is to say what you disagree with or question what you don't understand
Time To Abandon The Terms "Left" And "Right"
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maybe a better way to use your intellect is to say what you disagree with or question what you don't understand
Blagsta
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liberal is usually described as left wing although can be right wing
conservative is usually described as right wing although can be left wing
socialism is usually described as left wing although can be right wing
fascism is usually described as right wing although can be left wing
anarchy is usually described as left wing although can be right wing
elitism is usually described as right wing although can be left wing
it'll take more than two wings for this lot to fly!
Bankers, mainly.
It hasn't been working too well for them lately.
The day cannot be far away when everyone stops believing in money.
Yeah but would barter actually be a better system than money?
What kind of system would replace money?
What kind of system would replace money?
It's not money that's the problem, it is usury.
I should have said: "stop believing in the power of money to reproduce."
revol68
what, fucking what?
Nonsense, pure idealist nonsense.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
deke t lefel
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OK, one at a time
social liberalism is left wing and conservative liberalism is right wing
why do you disagree or not understand?
Conservative liberalism?
That's an oxymoron.
That's an oxymoron.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
It really isn't.
When the right-wingers talk about liberalism and define themselves as libertarians - or what the rest of us would call neo-liberals - they mean in a purely economic sense.
Ergo, there are plenty on the right who embrace so-called economic liberalism whilst being socially conservative.
Although I wouldn't use the term 'conservative liberalism' myself. I'd just call them free market wankers.
Thanks for the link. Basically it't noy pure conservatism or pure liberalism just people with mixed beliefs. In America those people would be called traitors to the party. I kid you not.
Because, for some reason I am unable to fathom, pure liberals expect everybody to be liberal and bow down to them and spout party line, and the same thing goes for pure conservatives.
No, I do not know what "pure liberal" or "Pure conservative" is in America. For me, there is not any real difference because in America the liberals want to take away your firearms and the conservatives want to take away your porn.
Because, for some reason I am unable to fathom, pure liberals expect everybody to be liberal and bow down to them and spout party line, and the same thing goes for pure conservatives.
No, I do not know what "pure liberal" or "Pure conservative" is in America. For me, there is not any real difference because in America the liberals want to take away your firearms and the conservatives want to take away your porn.
In America the term liberals is not the same as the Liberal Party of the UK. The American term 'liberals' is used by Republicans to refer to anyone who is to the left of them and includes communists, free thinkers, atheists, socialists and what they call Pinkos whom they think are all practically communists.
In the UK, the Liberal Party (nowadays Lib Dems) are a middle of the road party that is conservative in its economic policies when elected to local councils but likes to have a gloss of being caring when standing at National Level. Most people see through this. Nobody would think of them as being anything approaching socialist.
Thus the word liberal in the UK and US is not interchangeable.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
The problem is in the US the whole political spectrum is vastly to the right, which is why Americans equate liberal = left.
In Europe, liberals are centrists. Slap bang in the middle of the road.
In Europe, liberals are centrists. Slap bang in the middle of the road.
And Democrats in America also call themselves liberals as well. Republicans call themselves conservative. And yes, they are different things in America than the UK, when I use the terms I am speaking from an American perspective.
8ball
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I think that's a slightly specialised usage of the term.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think I know the type of people you're talking about, just saying that it's one of those words that links to a lot of different things. What you're saying could be construed as over-harsh, inaccurate, or overly charitable depending on context.
deke t lefel
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You just wrote it there, non?
haha, just keep checking the link to see whether it gets deleted by an editordeke t lefel
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that's a fair description
liberalism could be described as a forward thinking centrist political movement that usually veers to the "right" when considering economic policy and usually veers to the "left" when considering social policy
deke t lefel
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so, are you saying that all liberal political philosophies are right wing?
please first define "underlying structure"
and then explain why not changing it is "right" wing
deke t lefel
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no, not really, that's why it was questioned
how about another go at explaining?
how about another go at explaining?
Blagsta
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Liberalism is a belief that social issues (like racism, poverty etc) can be addressed without addressing any structural inequalities (i.e. economics).
Any clearer? How about you now tell me how fascism can be left wing. If you mention anything about National Socialism, you go on ignore. Deal?
Any clearer? How about you now tell me how fascism can be left wing. If you mention anything about National Socialism, you go on ignore. Deal?
In America, liberals want to take away your firearms, and conservatives want to take away your porn. I consider that fascist because as an adult I have the right to make my own choices to do things that I like to do. If I want to go target shooting or see an extreme marksman competition
I should have the choice to do so. If I want to see naked women in the privacy of my own home, I should have the choice to do so. Not allowing me to make my own choices for myself is a form of fascism, and at least America is supposed to be about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Unfortunately too many people in America think otherwise.
I should have the choice to do so. If I want to see naked women in the privacy of my own home, I should have the choice to do so. Not allowing me to make my own choices for myself is a form of fascism, and at least America is supposed to be about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Unfortunately too many people in America think otherwise.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
If you consider that fascist then you have zero understanding of what fascism is
No that would be you. I am well aware of the origins of fascism stemming from Mussolini and Italy from WW II, but fascism is all about controlling other people and is a form of tyranny.
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