ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Personally, I reckon dwyer can be a cunt, too.
Time To Abandon The Terms "Left" And "Right"
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Personally, I reckon dwyer can be a cunt, too.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There is no left wing and right wing. There is only up wing and down wing.
You forgot pink wings and brown wings.
I really don't see 'left' or 'right wing' anymore. It is such a distraction. Pro/anti civil liberties is so much more important, as is not being America's bitch with foreign policy. More still, pro/anti our current banking system.
"democracy is the best political system money can buy"
"democracy is the best political system money can buy"
deke t lefel
Active Member
probably for the same reason that a spatial metaphor is still used to describe social class
deke t lefel
Active Member
because money is governed by temporal influences rather than spatial dimensions
and time varies on an "inner" and "outer" basis
bhamgeezer
Dogs bark
Phil you're always assuming everyone else see the world in some dogmatic black and white way. Primarily anyone who disagrees with your views on religion politics and materialism, you fail to see that it is you following dogma and other people that are enlightened. Maybe you once saw the world this way and have had a change of heart, but don't project your own stupidity other people. Is it not possible that people might disagree with you for considered reasons? I think you mostly hold the views you do because you fail to understand the alternative perspective, and as shown by your previous threads in which simply dismiss problems that you don't understand.
ska invita
back on the other side
to me
left=supportive of a socialist economy
right=supportive of a neo-liberal economy
still useful terms in my book
oh and
new labour 3rd way = right + tax & spend
left=supportive of a socialist economy
right=supportive of a neo-liberal economy
still useful terms in my book
oh and
new labour 3rd way = right + tax & spend
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So that puts the lib-dems on the right you plum. Not the centre-left as you claim. And you just voted for them. So you're a right winger then.
Anyone that ever says "tax+spend" in a non-applausive way is a right winger by definition as well.
Anyone that ever says "tax+spend" in a non-applausive way is a right winger by definition as well.
gorski
customised free radical
That depends on spending/investing [in people/"human capital" or bailing out banks and capitalist wanks... blah-blah...] and the way one is taxing, BA... If, like in Brazil, one is taxing the rich less than the middle classes and the poor... oh, well... Progressive taxation is an achievement of the Left!!!
Jonti, leave it out, you'll injure your-humourless-self...
Jonti, leave it out, you'll injure your-humourless-self...
ska invita
back on the other side
i claim theyre to the left of the other two and the centre has mover to the right in relative terms. of course all 3 represent right-wing neo-liberal economics.
and my vote is for PR not the libdems, a sstrategic choice to be able in the long term to vote for a party that truly represents me (one of the left) once PR is introduced . whats more my vote is in a safe labour seat and for what little it is worth marks my interest in PR on some shitty poll somewhere. strictly tactical.
you dont like me do you? please leave out the personal abuse from your posts. disagree with me all you like, but please leave out the putdowns. im always curteouos to your posts - please act likewise. thanks.
What about feminism? Or racism? Wouldn't you place the former on the "left" and the latter on the "right?"
But it is possible to be a pro-capitalist feminist and an anti-capitalist racist.
And so we see that the terms are not useful after all.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I don't like you? What is this? You voted lib-dem you claim they're left-wing, you claim they're basically the labour party which is why you think they'll go into coalition with them, yet you claim the labour party is hard-right. When asked to square this you moan about me not liking you. I hope this either a sunday come down or the guilt is getting to you because that sort of stuff is not good enough.
edit: and no it's not personal, find me a prominent lib-dem supporter on here, someone whose gone out of their say to drum up support or offer arguments that i've not tackled over the last two weeks. Also, 'plum' is not abuse.
edit: and no it's not personal, find me a prominent lib-dem supporter on here, someone whose gone out of their say to drum up support or offer arguments that i've not tackled over the last two weeks. Also, 'plum' is not abuse.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
I think you might have a more US-style view of left/right, phil. In the US, the terms are applied to people's views on social issues, not economic ones. I would think that in the UK, they apply first and foremost to economics.
In short, Liberal ≠ left wing
In short, Liberal ≠ left wing
Jonti
what the dormouse said
You've shown you are just an empty headed wanker gorski, just another "left wing" tosspot who thinks ignorant sexism is "funny".
That's funny, given your conceits. But it's even funnier that you can't reply to my points ~ or anyone else's for that matter. See, what you post may be intended as funny, but the laughter is at you, not with you.
The real humour of the situational comedy around you is that you are too conceited to notice that it is you and your ideas that are the object of amused derision here.
You really are a silly ~ and, yes, humourless ~ little man.
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Stupid boy!
I didn't say I was being funny: I said you were not.
But hey, if you want to carry on playing the conceited clown, maybe try to tell us a funny sexist joke next time. Do you think you can do that?
I didn't say I was being funny: I said you were not.
But hey, if you want to carry on playing the conceited clown, maybe try to tell us a funny sexist joke next time. Do you think you can do that?
deke t lefel
Active Member
yeah, right wing is usually accepted as being capitalist and left wing as communist
liberal is usually described as left wing although can be right wing
conservative is usually described as right wing although can be left wing
socialism is usually described as left wing although can be right wing
fascism is usually described as right wing although can be left wing
anarchy is usually described as left wing although can be right wing
elitism is usually described as right wing although can be left wing
it'll take more than two wings for this lot to fly!
gorski
customised free radical
Left - Communists, Anarchists, Socialists, Social Democrats and a variety of "combinations", I suppose...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Marvelous 
Actually they're hardly used at all in the US these days. Yet another way in which the USA is more politically advanced than old Europe.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Any more wiki links gorkers?
I just felt that "post-modernist" nonsense took hold a little bit too much, so there was a need... to go back to the roots a wee little bit...
Since "post-modernists" have lost the compass completely, there's the need to give it to them...
Bit of a straw man there though. Have you ever met anyone who called themselves a "postmodernist?"
gorski
customised free radical
Aplenty, Phil. Much more than I would've liked, sadly... Hence my disgust... A bit of a pet-hate of mine...
Imagine studying Human Rights [like I did, MA] and coming to a conference, where some serious people are trying to push the boundaries, seriously testing the limits, risking a lot, at least their freedom if not more, then some eejut "post-modernists" come to give a serious talking to the rest of us, uninitiated silly-billies......
My word... Have you had the pleasure? One was just standing there for his allocated time ["there was no point in doing anything else"...], the other was [I kid you not!!!] impersonating an air-plane and so on and so forth...
The "dictate of strict inference/deduction had to be broken"... Rings a bell? Well, this is what it's like "for real", when you actually meet those guys and they "pull all the stops to 'contribute' to Humanity"...
Echhhhhhhhhh...
Imagine studying Human Rights [like I did, MA] and coming to a conference, where some serious people are trying to push the boundaries, seriously testing the limits, risking a lot, at least their freedom if not more, then some eejut "post-modernists" come to give a serious talking to the rest of us, uninitiated silly-billies......
My word... Have you had the pleasure? One was just standing there for his allocated time ["there was no point in doing anything else"...], the other was [I kid you not!!!] impersonating an air-plane and so on and so forth...
The "dictate of strict inference/deduction had to be broken"... Rings a bell? Well, this is what it's like "for real", when you actually meet those guys and they "pull all the stops to 'contribute' to Humanity"...
Echhhhhhhhhh...
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Whatever they call themselves, there's a lot of postmodernist thinking goes on here, and it's not all bad. But the view that science is just a social construct is taking things too far. There is such a thing as reality and there are objective social conditions; and we can effectively engage with the world and change it for the better.
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