Theresa May's time is up

[Pickman's model]

Anything that can be signed off in the time frame will go over far more than one red line. Basically, the only thing that could meaningfully be agreed before 2019 is an indefinite Norway. And even that won't be trivial to negotiate.

Yeh. But if you're going to shell out billions to the EU after all it makes sense to have a seat at the top table

 

[killer b]

The content of that article in the New European does not, shockingly, support the claim made in it's headline.

 

[Silas Loom]

Yeh. But if you're going to shell out billions to the EU after all it makes sense to have a seat at the top table

Well, yes.

 

[not-bono-ever]

is she still there ? i am a bit behind on the news . if someone could update, it would be great

 

[gosub]

The content of that article in the New European does not, shockingly, support the claim made in it's headline.

If Matrix Chambers say its true that's good enough for Ali Campbell. Can't see that working after March 2019

 

[Streathamite]

Rudd also has her dad's skeletons in her own closet.

I see what you mean - shady fucker!

 

[Streathamite]

Why do we call these asset-stripping, business-killing arseholes "rascals", as if their crimes harm no-one? White collar crooks like Rudd never get their just desserts, and both the media and the criminal justice system give most of them an easy ride.

Agreed - the bloke was extremely lucky not to do serious time. Even the old DTI at their most toothless said he wasn't fit to be any sort of company director

 

[Streathamite]

Think she's a bit jammy. If the criticism of her speech had been about the content she'd have been fucked.

And she's riding the two factions quite nicely... They are both right: prepare for hard Brexit cos nothing meaningful is going to get done in a two year period, and no deal IS suicidal. ... On track to focus minds on all sides, and get a single red line signed off, in the time frame

That assumes the two factions can be reconciled. They probably can't

 

[gosub]

That assumes the two factions can be reconciled. They probably can't

Six months of good cop bad cop won't hurt, provided 'friends close to....' don't get too excessive

 

[killer b]

Six months of good cop bad cop won't hurt, provided 'friends close to....' don't get too excessive

what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[killer b]

Sounds like May had 'mare on LBC today anyway, fucked up in multiple directions at once. I think she's mostly going for shit cop.

 

[Streathamite]

Six months of good cop bad cop won't hurt, provided 'friends close to....' don't get too excessive

Not entirely sure as I get your drift here....
e2a:the two wings of this Tory party seem to hate each other too much to team up like that

 

[gosub]

Not entirely sure as I get your drift here....
e2a:the two wings of this Tory party seem to hate each other too much to team up like that

They just have to be themselves... But six months of being elbow deep in "very well alone" should convince all but the irredemable nut jobs that it's worth getting back to the table, whilst the bend over yes please /we're doomed mob look too prissy if they go too far., it's only a cliff edge if the clock ain't stopped.
A better deal means no real deal at this stage.


Though doing the actual deal during extra time eats into private sector planning and adoption so would need to be more off the shelf than bespoke in order to accommodate..

 

[gosub]

what the fuck are you talking about?

The unattributed remarks that add zing to the column inches that Boris or Hammond never asked to be made

 

[Tankus]

Theresa May has refused to say how she would vote if there was another EU referendum.

Warning Will Robinson

malfunction , malfunction

 

[gosub]

Yeh. But if you're going to shell out billions to the EU after all it makes sense to have a seat at the top table

Yep, not having our hands tied at the WTO is definitely a step forward.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Sounds like May had 'mare on LBC today anyway, fucked up in multiple directions at once. I think she's mostly going for shit cop.

The shit lieutenant

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Oh, and this is going to upset the Brexiters but it is perhaps as well we have a get out clause after the Tories have completely finished screwing it up.

It’s official: Article 50 can be withdrawn

Blair’s wife’s colleague tells the Guardian that it’s not too late to stop Brexit shocker. Desperate stuff.

 

[Silas Loom]

Blair’s wife’s colleague tells the Guardian that it’s not too late to stop Brexit shocker. Desperate stuff.

May administration hides information from Parliament which would enable it to make sensible decisions about the economic security of the country. Desperate stuff.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

May administration hides information from Parliament which would enable it to make sensible decisions about the economic security of the country. Desperate stuff.

Not sure her administration* has that information to hide.



*or any other human being.

 

[Silas Loom]

Not sure her administration has that information to hide.

The lady at Matrix is happy to stake her reputation on the government having legal advice about revocation. The government doesn't deny it, merely saying that legal advice is private.

And on the papers covering the economic impact of Brexit scenarios, it's undisputed that there's material which the government does not want to publish or share with Parliament.

Surely you sovereignty fetishists want your representatives to have all the information they can?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

The government doesn't comment on allegations the moon is made from your fetid nob-cheese, doesn't necessarily make it so.

Sovereignty fetishist? I think you are mistaking me for someone else.

 

[newbie]

So, there's a legal opinion. If the government were to act on it which court would have the final say in deciding whether or not A50 really could be withdrawn? British, European or public opinion?

 

[Pickman's model]

So, there's a legal opinion. If the government were to act on it which court would have the final say in deciding whether or not A50 really could be withdrawn? British, European or public opinion?

ecj chuck, as well you know

 

[newbie]

ecj chuck, as well you know

which is why the opinion isn't worth the screen space it's written on.

 

[Silas Loom]

Sovereignty fetishist? I think you are mistaking me for someone else.

I missed the Brexit debate on here. But you sound like a leaver.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I missed the Brexit debate on here. But you sound like a leaver.

Leaver = Sovereignty fetishist ?

 

[Silas Loom]

which is why the opinion isn't worth the screen space it's written on.

Politics would come into it, but fundamentally the ECJ would base its decision on treaty law and on a rigorous study of the A50 wording and intentions. Legal opinions on that are worth quite a lot. The government's position to the Supreme Court - and, annoyingly in some respects, Miller's - was that A50 was unquestionably irrevocable. That was clearly a nonsense, and anything commissioned (and then hidden) by government subsequently is going to have come from some experts with a very good understanding of what the ECJ would need to take into account.

 

[Silas Loom]

Leaver = Sovereignty fetishist ?

I suppose there are plenty of other descriptions available, but that's the kindest I can come up with.

 

[killer b]

If the UK wanted to withdraw A50 and the EU were up for it, then it doesn't matter what the legal position is, it's done.