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If they'd taken notice of their own history
Yes how foolish of them to overlook their own history, if only a few clever foreigners like you had been on hand in the halls of power to tell them about it.
If they'd taken notice of their own history
Maybe you've avoided (or think you've avoided) giving clear and explicit support to Putin, but whether you admit it or not, the implications of your posts are to effectively back this invasion.Read my posts. I've given no clear support to anybody.
Evidence? I am only too aware of the role of NATO and "the West" in the build up to what we have now, as are you. What I am not doing is bending over backwards to defend the actions of imperial Russia under Putin. You are. Yours is not a class position, it seems more like a fucked up variant of "revolutionary defeatism" where you support the "other country's" imperialism in its opposition to your "own county's" imperialism... all mixed in with a weird hankering for the days when Russia was "socialist" (actual existing, deformed or degenerate, whichever was your take on it). For you, the notion of class is much less relevant.Nor are you.
Half of this seems to arise from poor comprehension skills, or else a wilful desire to misunderstand.Evidence? I am only too aware of the role of NATO and "the West" in the build up to what we have now, as are you. What I am not doing is bending over backwards to defend the actions of imperial Russia under Putin. You are. Yours is not a class position, it seems more like a fucked up variant of "revolutionary defeatism" where you support the "other country's" imperialism in its opposition to your "own county's" imperialism... all mixed in with a weird hankering for the days when Russia was "socialist" (actual existing, deformed or degenerate, whichever was your take on it). For you, the notion of class is much less relevant.
If you wish you can go a short way back up the thread and see that I haven't ignored Putin's responsibility.Maybe you've avoided (or think you've avoided) giving clear and explicit support to Putin, but whether you admit it or not, the implications of your posts are to effectively back this invasion.
Before the invasion happened I thought the threat was being hyped up, and I still think it's possible to criticise the long term actions of NATO over its expansion ever eastwards.
But to continue to focus on that, as you have ever since the invasion started, is to ignore Putin's responsibility, and to go along with what someone above (ETA looking back I see it was Serge Forward ) has called the wife beater defence.
Half of this seems to arise from poor comprehension skills, or else a wilful desire to misunderstand.
The rest is just made up.
Having stuck 'a certain poster' on ignore yesterday, there's only one post in the last two pages that I'm not ignoring or skipping past cos its just a reply to the russian doll.
The overall direction of your posts and your position is clear.If you wish you can go a short way back up the thread and see that I haven't ignored Putin's responsibility.
Well it is weird how the 'Westsplainers' seem to have a better grasp of the history of certain countries than so many of those who actually live there, not to mention the inevitable consequences of certain actions.Yes how foolish of them to overlook their own history, if only a few clever foreigners like you had been on hand in the halls of power to tell them about it.
Wouldn't surprise me if they had.Same paper that backed the Gulf War ?
Perhaps, but I didn't absolve Putin of responsibility after all, did I? (I hear Putin is quite annoyed about this. Fearing Novichok in the post any day now.)The overall direction of your posts and your position is clear.
Perhaps, but I didn't absolve Putin of responsibility after all, did I? (I hear Putin is quite annoyed about this. Fearing Novichok in the post any day now.)
No it doesn't.Talking about "the inevitable consequences of certain actions" as you did just few posts ago does absolve Putin of responsibility.
No idea why you made that look like something I said steeplejack ?
I don't think anyone thinks you said it. Strange observation.
Whoever you were quoting, rambling on about the Bosnian working class "emerging from forty years of Stalinism" has not one single clue what they're talking about. It's embarrassing.
Why quote it then?
Because I thought I was a useful, if not entirely correct, read. FWIW it was from someone that lived and worked there for a long time, including through the war. IMO your post just made it look like it was a quote from a post I made rather than an article I posted. Anyway, doesn't matter.
There really is quite a lot of dick like behaviour on this thread, becoming a bit depressing tbh.
Well I'm sorry if I came across as a dick, but one thing the world really doesn't need more of is clueless Western takes on recent Balkan history.
FWIW if this has ripples BiH is amongst the countries that will feel it the strongest. This weekend (quite apart from assorted fascists and anti-vax loons coming together to mount a huge pro-Putin demo in Belgrade) the Serbian army called up reservists, and NATO significantly beefed up its presence in BiH.
You give us blah blah and try to palm off the cuntitude onto hitchens. Poor Peter hitchens isn't the cunt here - you on the other hand...It's a disgrace when Peter Hitchens gets it more right than the lefties (awaits the predictable 'Hitchens is a cunt' blah blah...)
PETER HITCHENS: One glorious day in Sevastopol, I saw what was coming
PETER HITCHENS: In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine.www.dailymail.co.uk
Imperialists are well known to always following the rules and do the right thing for the common good This isnt a parking ticket disputeSo you know, if you sign these things (which the USSR/Russia did), then you should really honour them, no?
Well I'm sorry if I came across as a dick, but one thing the world really doesn't need more of is clueless Western takes on recent Balkan history.
FWIW if this has ripples BiH is amongst the countries that will feel it the strongest. This weekend (quite apart from assorted fascists and anti-vax loons coming together to mount a huge pro-Putin demo in Belgrade) the Serbian army called up reservists, and NATO significantly beefed up its presence in BiH.
Or, the way you communicate is arse.Half of this seems to arise from poor comprehension skills, or else a wilful desire to misunderstand.
The rest is just made up.
Where do you see Serbia coming in with this? I saw the pro Russian demo in Belgrade.
Thanks SueI find your contributions really interesting/helpful in explaining a very complicated situation, steeplejack. Thanks.
Cheers for the background on Rev Dia, I had seen their instagram and noticed one western anarcho/antifa media media outlet boosting them, but noticed that most of the other sources I check don't mention them so had wondered if there was something going on there. Don't suppose if your source knows if they have any connection to that whole mess with the Belarusian antifascist in Warsaw, or is that unrelated?From elsewhere, for people's info....
Thought I add some updates on the incredible organising that appears to be happening transnationally and within Ukraine — i say appears because apart from trusted comrades of comrades, all I have to go by is them.
Firstly, comrades in Ukraine within the anarchist/anti-authoritarian movement — its small but growing and very active. The main forces are Rev Dia (a supposedly anarchist militia) and operation solidarity (also affiliated to another new anarchist militia front called 'resistance committee). Rev Dia is by and large ostracised from the movement due to past violent attacks, a "horrible group" according to one comrade inc. an attempted murder on one of their own comrades,but in this moment they seem to be working together in some way, there seems consensus across the movement for armed resistance along side the mutual aid work.
Anyway, did go and have a look at the StW demo today for a bit. Noticeably smaller than the Ukrainian one yesterday, and a lot less blue and yellow. More papersellers though, I spotted Socialist Worker, Counterfire, Morning Star and a few people going round giving out KKE leaflets. First speaker did mention encouraging Russian soldiers to turn their guns on their officers, which I can agree with, but then also went on to do the inevitable NATO bit, including "they overthrew the elected government in 2014 to install a puppet". From the looks of it, didn't seem like they had a single Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian or even Polish person speaking, but then I didn't stick around for the whole thing. Feels like virtually every speech I did hear had some variation on "we condemn the Russian invasion, but..."
Reader, they did indeed have a Palestinian flag at this one.