Australian anarchist communists respond to the Freedom "westsplaining" article:
Now Isn't the Time to Shut Up About NATO: Responding to Freedom News
Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine a resurgence of campism has occurred across the international socialist movement. Campism, whether it is stalinists providing support to brutal dictators such as Assad and Putin because they oppose the west, or 'anarchists' supporting NATO...www.acmeanjin.org
Although, being uncharitable, there is a little part of me that thinks they could have perhaps condensed the whole article down to this bit:
Sole focus on the conditions of/solidarity between those ‘in work’ though means I can’t take their professed universalism seriously, and it results in the tendency of even decent socialists to not see the conditions of and solidarity between the useless/defective proletariat.
Actions such as I’ve linked below may not be radical enough for some, but i think it’s more effective and more socialist than our Australian comrades putting out communiques
Cheeverstown walk for Ukraine
A LOCAL group for people with intellectual disabilities raised over €1,800 for people in Ukraine after holding a sponsored walk in the Phoenix Park last week. Last Tuesday, March 8, the ten members of the Tallaght Village-based Arch Club, which is run by Cheeverstown House, set off on a 2.5k...www.echo.ie
The article is pretty much spot on. Yes, that condensed bit is indeed the main point but it's still worth taking apart the abysmal westplaining article in Freedom. This bit was also worth saying:Australian anarchist communists respond to the Freedom "westsplaining" article:
Now Isn't the Time to Shut Up About NATO: Responding to Freedom News
Since the beginning of the Russian invasion of Ukraine a resurgence of campism has occurred across the international socialist movement. Campism, whether it is stalinists providing support to brutal dictators such as Assad and Putin because they oppose the west, or 'anarchists' supporting NATO...www.acmeanjin.org
Although, being uncharitable, there is a little part of me that thinks they could have perhaps condensed the whole article down to this bit:
So no, we will not "shut the fuck up" about NATO, because doing so would mean being silent at the very time when the socialist movement needs to be at its loudest about imperialism and the need to reject all attempts at allying the working class with its rulers, rather than the workers of the world. This mistake has been made before and we can't afford to make it again.
It's a good thing. But how do you know the Australian comrades are not doing that sort of thing as well? I've been involved in solidarity or charity work, collecting necessities like sleeping bags, paracetemol/ibuprofen and toiletries to the local Ukrainian centre, which they've then been taking directly to Ukraine. But as an ACG member who writes occasional articles for our website, I don't really need to write an article about this.Actions such as I’ve linked below may not be radical enough for some, but i think it’s more effective and more socialist than our Australian comrades putting out communiques
In this podcast we want to find out what Ukrainians involved in its social movements are thinking about the conflict. Where do they think the war is going? What are their thoughts about the apparent rifts in the global left response? What should solidarity look like?
The State of Power podcast spoke to Denys Gorbach and Denis Pilash, who are both activists on the editorial board of the left Commons journal that explores and analyses Ukraine’s economy, politics, history and culture.
Yeah one thing no one on the left should be doing in my opinion is criticising people who choose to fight or people who choose to leave, or stay and not fight for that matter. All are reasonable choices if you ask me.For those on the ground, defending their friends, neighbours, comrades, and their homes, it's totally understandable to want to defend all of those things... and yes, that may mean being part of a national (in some cases nationalist) struggle against Putinist invasion is also understandable in that context.
But it's also totally understandable to try to get the fuck out of there. If I was in Ukraine, I'd probably take the "get the fuck out" position (hypothetically, as an over 60, I'd be unlikely to be conscripted, but I'd also be telling my adult sons to get the fuck out), that or be more in line with what the Assembly group are up to.
On this bit, I kind of think "yes and no" - like, there's obviously not much we can do to to stop the war or whatever, but I think that, if people want to make it a priority, there is stuff that relatively small and marginal groups of anarchos/lefties can do to practically assist the work of other relatively small and marginal groups of anarchos/lefties that we think is good and worthwhile. I'm repeating myself here, but what ABCD have been doing is one example of that, the French union thing is another. One of the many French CNTs is now running a collection for Operation Solidarity as well.Any 'no war but the class war' pronouncements will have zero effect on those in Ukraine who are having to endure all this. That doesn't mean defence of the internationalist position is wrong or shouldn't be defended. I'd say it's vital that we maintain a level of internationalist intransigence, especially when others are falling by the campist wayside.
And let's not forget, Freedom's anarcho-trenchist position will also have zero effect on the lives of people suffering in Ukraine, as will any other anarchists' and sections of the left's support for NATO.
I like that person. But again with the “We know that the real victims of war are the people, the working people” - it ignores the people who don't work, who can't work. (IYes, know they weren't his words, but the ones he reproduced.) As Shechemite put it above, "the tendency of even decent socialists to not see the conditions of and solidarity between the useless/defective proletariat." I'm not trying to be awkward, I totally get what they mean, but we cannot ignore this point.French trade unions plan workers’ convoy to Ukraine
Solidaires, a French trade union confederation, is organising a convoy to take aid to workers’ organisations in Ukraine. “We know that the real victims of war are the people, the working people”, a…peopleandnature.wordpress.com
French trade union convoy and support to Ukraine workers and unions there. Simon's website is one of the best resources for info on what's going on there I think.
Yeah one thing no one on the left should be doing in my opinion is criticising people who choose to fight or people who choose to leave, or stay and not fight for that matter. All are reasonable choices if you ask me.
It is tempting to say what we do and say on the left doesn't mean much, I do it myself all the time. Then I remember that a few years ago a top figure in the STWC was in the running to be PM.On this bit, I kind of think "yes and no" - like, there's obviously not much we can do to to stop the war or whatever, but I think that, if people want to make it a priority, there is stuff that relatively small and marginal groups of anarchos/lefties can do to practically assist the work of other relatively small and marginal groups of anarchos/lefties that we think is good and worthwhile. I'm repeating myself here, but what ABCD have been doing is one example of that, the French union thing is another. One of the many French CNTs is now running a collection for Operation Solidarity as well.
I don't think NWBTCW really stands up as a theoretical position. It is a fine slogan for use if you are active in an imperialist aggressor country. But completely falls apart when in the country being invaded and bombed.I agree, and from what Serge Forward has said a few posts above so do they. So really doesn't the NWBTCW position lose much of its meaning if the actual reality of it is 'NWBTCW, apart from those people fighting to defend their homes, etc.' as Serge said. You're basically then defending a purely theoretical political position that then has no basis in the reality on the ground surely?
Just for clarity, I don't mean that as a dig, just trying to understand what it actually means. I do think, for example, it would have much more meaning and traction in Russia thsn Ukraine. In Ukraine I just don't see it as grounded in what's happening really, but happy to be corrected!
Unless we're directly involved in a dispute, local campaign or whatever, then how much of what any of us say or do makes any difference? Very little, given that organisations such as ours are miniscule and our website posts are read by hardly anyone, in the scheme of things. And unless you're in the middle of that war, and happen to have bombs falling around you, then surely everything is theoretical, whether it's from a NWBTCW or trenchist position. Most things in the world are "a purely theoretical political position" which hardly anyone is directly involved in, but this doesn't necessarily make these positions wrong, or not to be taken seriously, otherwise no one would ever say owt about nowt unless we were knee deep in battlefield blood and bodies.I agree, and from what Serge Forward has said a few posts above so do they. So really doesn't the NWBTCW position lose much of its meaning if the actual reality of it is 'NWBTCW, apart from those people fighting to defend their homes, etc.' as Serge said. You're basically then defending a purely theoretical political position that then has no basis in the reality on the ground surely?
Just for clarity, I don't mean that as a dig, just trying to understand what it actually means. I do think, for example, it would have much more meaning and traction in Russia thsn Ukraine. In Ukraine I just don't see it as grounded in what's happening really, but happy to be corrected!
good interview, agree with everything thereLong interview with Simon Pirani