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The war and "the left" - what do "we" do?

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Article by Bologna and a few others published by Endnotes. Pretty terrible imo.


Reply by Simon Pirani here that's very good imo.

Well, I don't know which is worse, that historians would sign off such a thing, or that they'd write it themselves. People look to historians in times of crisis to try to understand the political landscape leading up to such events. I don't understand how they believed that Russia was moving to integrate into a "peaceful and stable Europe" for a start. Wtf were they smoking?

The reply was good.
 
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But he cringes at the response from some on the left, abroad.

While many left-wing parties have condemned the invasion of Ukraine, that condemnation has often been couched in what he sees as excuse-making — in a belief that the Kremlin's war of aggression was provoked by the West, as opposed to being a product of revanchist Russian nationalism.

Just before speaking to Insider, Starodubcev was on a call with members of Podemos, the populist left-wing party in Spain and the junior partner in a ruling coalition with the Socialist Party.

"They pushed this agenda that, 'We're against sending weapons.' They're sabotaging other parties in Spain trying to help Ukrainians — it's just a stupid, very horrific policy," he said.

"They have this idea that Russia is defending against NATO expansion and they just have their reasons to attack — that's plain wrong and stupid. This idea of not sending weapons because it can prolong war is just misunderstanding Russian policies," he said. "Russia's goal here is to install a puppet government and just destroy Ukraine as something sovereign, doing independent policies from the Kremlin. So their argument is just for occupation."

Ironically, or perhaps not, "Russian leftists are less pro-Russian than Western leftists, 100%," Starodubcev said. "They understand their government a lot better than DSAor Podemos or Stop the War Coalition in Britain. They're strongly opposing Putin. They're strongly opposing the war — they're trying to sabotage it."

Socialists in Ukraine are calling for concrete actions, such as canceling the country's foreign debt — now nearly $130 billion, almost 10 times what it was in 2000. That is not controversial among leftists elsewhere.

But what Ukraine needs now is support for the armed struggle against Russian militarism, Starodubcev said.

"Of course, we are supporting sending arms to Ukrainian resistance and Ukrainian army," he said. "I think that many socialists should push their government to send planes, to send anti-air or anti-tank weapons, to defend the Ukrainian people."

"It's a war of the Ukrainian people against imperialist aggression," he added. "And it's very strange to me, the response of the Western left, which just ignores the fact Ukrainian people are fighting for their lives — for their independence."
 
It’s a good statement with plenty to think about/ digest.

I think this is their website Соціальний рух - Пряма демократія. Відкрита бухгалтерія. Соціальна справедливість

If so, they also made a balanced statement on the banning of the political parties which was to the left of a number of posts on here

 
Poland's 'Left Together' quit the Progressive International citing "the absence of an unequivocal declaration recognising Ukraine’s sovereignty and an absolute condemnation of Russian imperialism" as the reason

 
Poland's 'Left Together' quit the Progressive International citing "the absence of an unequivocal declaration recognising Ukraine’s sovereignty and an absolute condemnation of Russian imperialism" as the reason

Now they're left out I suppose
 
Good interview with a Ukrainian on the French 'Another War' website here:

Part 1 Interview with A., March 11, 2022 (english version)

Part 2 Interview with A., March 17, 2022 (english version)

Despite its limitations ie there are no sizable amount of pro working class organisations on the ground to speak of in Ukraine , I found this interesting . The effect of decades of Soviet style state aligned trade unions and then years of neoliberal 'reforms' must be devastating . One thing I did pick up though was Ukraine's treatment of looters or what have been identified by some on social media as gypsies/Roma and the spraying of green disinfectant and dye on their faces and tying them to lamposts. Does anyone know more about this?
 
Despite its limitations ie there are no sizable amount of pro working class organisations on the ground to speak of in Ukraine , I found this interesting . The effect of decades of Soviet style state aligned trade unions and then years of neoliberal 'reforms' must be devastating . One thing I did pick up though was Ukraine's treatment of looters or what have been identified by some on social media as gypsies/Roma and the spraying of green disinfectant and dye on their faces and tying them to lamposts. Does anyone know more about this?

Don't have time to look for reports but read plenty, but looting (often called marauding there and in reports) is happening in a few areas (more the bigger towns and cities of course) and a good number of people have been caught and then tied to lamposts, etc. but not seen reports of anything more severe. Mostly seems to have done by the Territorial Defence Units when they get caught. No idea what extent it's locals, or people outside the area, or criminals generally pre-war, or the ethnic breakdown of those found. Had a discussion about 'looters' and 'looters' yesterday, around the difference of taking food from bombed out shops in badly hit areas as supply is limited vs. robbing houses when they're left deserted etc. as there's a little bit of pro-looting stuff about on the anti-war UK left using the anti-looting punishments to show the reactionary nature of the Ukraine army etc etc.
 
Don't have time to look for reports but read plenty, but looting (often called marauding there and in reports) is happening in a few areas (more the bigger towns and cities of course) and a good number of people have been caught and then tied to lamposts, etc. but not seen reports of anything more severe. Mostly seems to have done by the Territorial Defence Units when they get caught. No idea what extent it's locals, or people outside the area, or criminals generally pre-war, or the ethnic breakdown of those found. Had a discussion about 'looters' and 'looters' yesterday, around the difference of taking food from bombed out shops in badly hit areas as supply is limited vs. robbing houses when they're left deserted etc. as there's a little bit of pro-looting stuff about on the anti-war UK left using the anti-looting punishments to show the reactionary nature of the Ukraine army etc etc.
Depending on exactly what the looting consist off tying people to lamp posts could be considered restrained.

It is easy to criticise from our position of relative privilege but looting could mean taking food and medicine from those who need it or damaging the ability to resist. And in the middle of a war there is no courts of law, no chance to send someone to prison. And in some ways a form of community punishment (if it is something close to that) could be preferable to a state imposed one.

Of course it could be someone tacking a few tins of soup from a bombed out shop picked up because they are Roma.

I don't think anyone sitting in the UK has the information to pass judgement, and maybe not even the right.
 
Don't have time to look for reports but read plenty, but looting (often called marauding there and in reports) is happening in a few areas (more the bigger towns and cities of course) and a good number of people have been caught and then tied to lamposts, etc. but not seen reports of anything more severe. Mostly seems to have done by the Territorial Defence Units when they get caught. No idea what extent it's locals, or people outside the area, or criminals generally pre-war, or the ethnic breakdown of those found. Had a discussion about 'looters' and 'looters' yesterday, around the difference of taking food from bombed out shops in badly hit areas as supply is limited vs. robbing houses when they're left deserted etc. as there's a little bit of pro-looting stuff about on the anti-war UK left using the anti-looting punishments to show the reactionary nature of the Ukraine army etc etc.
Seem to be a few Roma kids being tied to lamp posts with their faces painted green.

 
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From Freedom:

Here's the XR Ukraine letter, which I'd not seen before:
Oh, and new statement from "London Makhnovists":
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Hmm... I can't follow it all as I'm not on twitter, but the fact that it starts off with attacking the people behind the CRAS interview (do nowt university types) rather than criticising the substance of what they say, makes me somewhat wary. The ACG is fairly used to those kind of ad hominim attacks, water off a duck's back and all that.

Of course, if there's any substance to these criticisms, aside from calling them n'er-do-wells, feel free to post here.
 
The twitter thread starts with a link to a statement from the IWA which has now been removed so I'm guessing that's an indication of some kind of internal disagreement.

 
Possibly. But the rest of it seems to go on about CRAS members working in universities and that's why they are wrong, etc, etc. It'd be nice if they said why they think they're wrong, rather than just criticising their jobs.
 
Would've been interesting to see what the removed statement actually said, I suppose. The thread did link to this, a German translation of a Spanish interview with CRAS/KRAS:
KRAS-IAA ÜBER DEN KRIEG IN DER UKRAINE
Thought this was interesting, on how (KRAS describe) different positions within the Ukrainian movement:
KRAS: In 2014, the Ukrainian anarchist movement was split between those who supported the liberal-nationalist protest on the Maidan and then aided the new government against the Donbass separatists, and those who tried to adopt a more internationalist position. The latter did exist, but unfortunately was rarely the case. Today the situation is similar, but even more acute. Broadly speaking, three positions can be distinguished. Some groups (such as the “Nihilists” and “Revolutionary Action” in Kyiv) see what is happening as a war against Russian imperialism and Putin's dictatorship. They fully support the Ukrainian nationalist state and its military efforts in this war. The notorious photo of the "anarchist" fighters in uniform shows exactly the representatives of this tendency: in particular, it shows the fans of the "anti-fascist" football club Arsenal and the participants of the "Revolutionary Action". These “anti-fascists” are not even embarrassed that there are openly pro-fascist armed formations like Azov among the Ukrainian troops.

The second position is represented, for example, by the group “ Black Flag ” in Kiev and Lviv. Before the war she was a harsh critic of the Ukrainian state, the ruling class, its neoliberal policies and nationalism. At the outbreak of the war, the group declared that capitalism and those in power on both sides were to blame for the war, but at the same time called for joining the forces of so-called "Territorial Self-Defense" - volunteer military units of light infantry stationed on the ground be formed on a territorial basis.

The third position is represented by the group " Assembly " in Kharkiv. She also condemns both sides of the conflict, although she sees the Kremlin state as the more dangerous and reactionary force. It is not encouraged to join armed formations. The group's activists are currently organizing aid for the civilian population and victims of the Russian army's shelling.

We regard the participation of anarchists in this war as part of the armed formations operating in Ukraine as a break with the idea and cause of anarchism. These formations are not independent, they are subordinate to the Ukrainian army and perform the tasks set by the authorities. They do not set up social programs and demands. The hopes of being able to carry out anarchist agitation among them are doubtful. In Ukraine there is no social revolution to defend. In other words, those who call themselves anarchists are simply sent to defend "the fatherland" and the state, playing the role of cannon fodder for capital and fueling nationalist and militarist sentiments in the masses.
 
Oh yeah, translation says:
"In this situation, the small and divided anarchist movement in Russia is doing what it can. Some participate in protest demonstrations. So, two of our colleagues were also arrested and fined. Others are critical of these demonstrations, as calls for them often come from the right-wing liberal opposition and are often not so much anti-war as pro-Ukrainian (and sometimes even pro-NATO). There remains the possibility of going to demonstrations with their slogans and banners (some anarchists do), or of undertaking small independent and decentralized actions. Anarchists write anti-war slogans on the walls, paint graffiti, paste stickers and flyers, hang anti-war banners. It is important to convey to the people our special and independent position."
 
A couple of articles from what I think is a Ukrainian site:

Currently, a full-scale invasion by the Russian army is taking place in Ukraine.

Aviation and artillery are bombing peaceful cities. Multiple launch rocket systems, which in practice are incapable of precision targeting, are shelling residential areas. The unarmed civilian population does not support the occupiers; they are trying to stop the armored vehicles with their bare hands.

This is a war of annihilation. That is not an exaggeration or a rhetorical device. The leadership of Russia is not at all shy about violating all possible conventions of military operations.

We understand very well that your principles may not align with donating funds to buy equipment for combatants and the texts we publish do not necessarily come from collectives who support doing so. This list will expand, and you will find that it contains various other initiatives; in fact, most of them are purely humanitarian. Some are associated with the anti-authoritarian movement, some are not. Unfortunately, we do not have the resources or the luxury to double-check everything for ideological purity. We can only say with certainty that these are not scams. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us.

Russian society has not yet produced a substantial antiwar movement. Today there are only timid picket lines of hundreds of people in cities with millions of people, pasting up flyers and signing online petitions. Of course they can and must be supported symbolically, but as it stands by the time they gain critical mass there won't be anyone left to support in Ukraine. Don't wonder, where are Russian initiatives.

Our every cent can save lives. Those saved lives - they are people who will be able to build a free society. There will certainly be no possibility to even discuss any emancipatory initiatives under conditions of a military occupation and a meat grinder of war. If the invasion is not stopped, it will thrust a region with a population of forty million into political apocalypse. The ensuing instability will, in every conceivable way, play directly into the hands of the most radical right wing elements. The consequences for the neighboring areas will be disastrous.

We have not lost our minds looking at feeds manufacturing controversy and posting outrage clickbait content. Our position is the only rational stance based on the unfortunate facts from on the ground.

Since at least since 2014, Russian propaganda has not necessarily aimed to convince the consumer to support Russia directly: it’s not an easy task and it’s complicated to create a universal narrative for such a purpose.

It’s much easier to neutralize those who are unaware or are undecided – in this kind of haze, it’s easier to push narratives suitable for the Russian Government. This is why the field is so overwhelmed with fake news: the crazier and more emotional the better, creating a destabilizing sense of chaos. This lack of clarity intentionally dissolves the boundaries between real facts and total fiction. In this context, actors with the ability to spam all accessible space quickly from the most bots are the most successful.
 
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Here's an article in Spanish on the positions taken by anarchists in Ukraine:

Thanks - rough translation of some of that:
Therefore, Russian anarchism is on the defensive, trying not to be swept off the map, although sending clear messages against Putin's war (not the Russian people). And among these militant people, it is logical to find people who have so much dislike for the government that they enlist in the Ukrainian militias. We will see later why.


Second, we have the responses of the Ukrainian anarchist collectives. To tell the truth there was little until now. Maybe 3 collectives in kyiv and 1 in Kharkhov, with more libertarian people in other cities like Lvov. According to other articles, the anarchist movement was swept away in 2014 by the climate created by the Maidan and the Donbass war. Anarchism did not know how to find its place, it suffered a crisis and disappeared for a few years. Around 2017-18 it reappeared, generating some collectives, such as Rev Dia (Revolutionary Action) in Kiev and Assembly in Kharkhov.


And between both groups, there is a big difference in how to do things. The Kharkov group managed a social center and intended to reach the population through culture and mutual aid and self-management activities. The kyiv group, on the other hand, was engaged in a positional struggle against street fascism, which was very powerful there.


The performance of the Kharkhov group in this war has been to participate in mutual support groups in the city. Its function is to get people out of there, feed them, look for people and get shelter. At this time, there is no concrete news of what the group does, and stories of people they knew who have died appear on its website. They have never called to join the militias and are obviously against the invasion and bombing of their city.


Instead the Kiev groups have been assembled into a militia . This should not have too many people, maybe 50 or 70 individuals. In fact, perhaps it is not a single militia but two different ones. The first formed by Rev Dia and his associates and the second by the groups Bandera Negra and Cuartel Negro , although they seem to collaborate with each other.


As Revdia says on its website:


The point is that now the war is not between Ukraine and Russia, but a war for the future of all the countries of the former USSR. The Russian authorities have long been the guarantor of dictatorial regimes throughout the USSR. He has supported them in difficult times, as he did in Belarus and Kazakhstan.

In Russia itself, a model dictatorial regime was being established. Freedom of expression was completely banned and he was jailed for 15 years for participating in a peaceful demonstration. If the Putin dictatorship wins the war in Ukraine, it will not only become a reality for the Ukrainians, but it will also prevail in Russia and other countries. For a long time there will be no chance to change this order. Furthermore, it will give Putin the ambition to expand his dictatorship in the new countries. Not to mention that all activists of any kind of movement will be annihilated, including anarchists, regardless of the position on the war they have supported.

The war in Ukraine may be the last chance to overthrow and abolish the dictatorship. That is why it is so important to use all possible methods to end the dictatorial horde.

When the government distributed weapons, anarchism also asked for them and got them. They joined the territorial defense units and made an international call for solidarity. This call has especially attracted anarchist militants from Belarusian and Russian territory who want to fight the Russian government army. This is what they say over there :


If the Russo-Ukrainian war has done anything good, it is that it has forced the Ukrainian authorities to hand over some weapons to the population. Again, this doesn't guarantee anything, but it does increase the chances of freeing the town. Not only from foreign oppressors, but also from their own.

His point of view is simple: "they attack us, they are killing our people and we have to defend ourselves, regardless of the ideology that is defended. Let's take up arms." And for this they align themselves with the anti-fascist supporter of the Kiev Arsenal, apparently the only anti-fascist supporter in the Ukraine - the rest are Nazis. In this amalgamation of attracting volunteers at all costs, there has never been an eagerness to politicize the struggle. Anarchism is more of a label they use, an identity, but they have not appealed to the civilian population. There are still compas trying to find out if they have a humanitarian section like the Kharkhov collective had.


Worse still is when we read the messages they post on their telegram channel. It increases the confusion to see their videos, and especially their stories. In one of them they even say that they have passed part of the international aid received to army soldiers, tank units, and even to people from the National Guard. And this sounds alarm bells. There are those who do not want to spend 9,000 euros on night vision goggles and end up being used by the army instead of by the person who asked for it. And even more so when we know that NATO countries are sending equipment and weapons valued at billions of euros. We cannot understand this subordination to the army, much less without a political explanation.


In the desire to enter into combat there are those who have joined the army or the fascist militias, given that they have weapons. It must not be precisely the most politicized people in the movement. Speaking clearly, we should already know that in all groups there are those who have very clear theory and principles and there are those who don't care, and they are with our movement rather out of friendship, sympathy or neighborhood rather than ideas. In antifascist environments this has always been very common.


According to a mini-report these days , thousands of people are entering the Nazi Azov battalion, so that it is no longer a battalion but a regiment - which is also locked up in Mariupol presumably living its last days. Now it's like a mini-army. There are already two Azov battalions in Kharkhov and one in kyiv. There are recruitment centers throughout Ukraine. And it is only part of the fascist militias. There is also the Aydar battalion or the Pravy Sektor battalion, among others. In the army, soldiers have been bombarded for 8 years by fascist propaganda of all kinds, without any kind of filter from the authorities, so in general there is a lot of ultra-nationalism in the army, although it is not as developed as in the militias explicitly Fascists and Nazis.

In short, without too much information and with confusing messages, that scene in kyiv is leaving us in complete surprise and doing us a disservice. We cannot support a fight that is not clear about what it wants, beyond killing enemies. At least until a territorial control plan is outlined, that some of their support for the civilian population is reported - which we think they do - and that relations with the Nazis are publicly and clearly cut off. We do not know if at this point it will be possible or if they have enough to survive. There will be something to this. In the same way, days ago, the anti-fascist media warned that if you sign up at an embassy, you might end up in the Azov units.


Thirdly, we must receive the flow of refugees. There are already 2.8 million people and the number continues to grow. At this moment half of kyiv has already fled and only the working-class neighborhoods remain, as always. There are compas on the border with Poland and with Romania. In this case, Polish [ other link ] and German collectives are quite active in giving their solidarity support. These are initiatives that are much closer to us both geographically and psychologically. In addition, refugees begin to arrive in all corners of Europe.
 
Joey Ayoub's The Fire These Times podcast with Ukrainian journalist Romeo Kokriatski, talking about the situation in general but also about the reaction from the western left.

 
Australian anarchist communists respond to the Freedom "westsplaining" article:

Although, being uncharitable, there is a little part of me that thinks they could have perhaps condensed the whole article down to this bit:
 
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