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Obviously not, bloke who is quite attached to his ridiculous hair would not risk it getting covered in spray tan.
So reality would be worse, similar only wearing a hair net
The Trump presidency
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Obviously not, bloke who is quite attached to his ridiculous hair would not risk it getting covered in spray tan.
So reality would be worse, similar only wearing a hair net
Yossarian
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belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
hang on, you seem to be veering towards saying you think finance capital has some inherently different logic and goal to industrial capital, but there isn't one (apologies if I'm misreading you). The two have been intertwined for the last two hundred years.
Neoliberalism is/was just another phase of capitalism, like late C19 laissez faire liberalism, or like C20 Keynesianism. They all work for a while and then fail - and that's what we're seeing now. 'Advanced' neoliberalism, as you call it, obviously contains many of the same features as neoliberalism, but so did neoliberalism with Keynesianism. If those two are sensibly considered to be as specific itterations of capitalism, then so can 'advanced' and not so advanced neoliberalism.
That said, I haven't read he Streeck book yet, it's very near the top of my pile, but I'm not quite down to it yet.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
Once again, the triumph of party and money over the interests of the people:
Senate confirms DeVos as secretary of education
Pence had to break the tie.
Senate confirms DeVos as secretary of education
Pence had to break the tie.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Streeck certainly helped me straighten out a few things in my mind.
wrt to financialised capital, I'd see it a a rather broader category than strictly defined finance capital. Any corporation, and that could be previously manufacturing ones, in which profit making/accumulation occurs increasingly through financial channels rather than through trade and commodity production, could be seen as financialised capital.
Of course, the next 'big thing' is platform capitalism.
CRI
Registered Chooser
She paid enough for those votes, I mean it would have been a waste of her money had she not got through.
Yuwipi Woman
Whack-A-Mole Queen
She paid enough for those votes, I mean it would have been a waste of her money had she not got through.
Sadly, reality leaves satire in the dust:
Massie bill: Eliminate US Education Dept
CRI
Registered Chooser
Yossarian
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Meanwhile in Canada, refugees are walking across the border from the US in growing numbers - some of them have lost their fingers to frostbite.
'This is right off the scale': Border town seeks help after spike in refugees
'This is right off the scale': Border town seeks help after spike in refugees
CRI
Registered Chooser
Well, that's just shit.
CRI
Registered Chooser
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CRI
Registered Chooser
Proposed yes, but never actually made it happen, even when numerically, they probably could have done. In the past, it wouldn't have been seen as a popular move, even among many Republicans. Now we're in bizarro world, anything goes.
(I added the BBC link after I took the dogs out for a pee.)
CRI
Registered Chooser
Duffy: 'There's a difference' on white terror and Muslim terror
"Why isn't the President talking about the white terrorists who mowed down six Muslims praying at their mosque," she asked.
"I don't know," the Wisconsin Republican replied, referencing the mass shooting at a mosque in Quebec City last month. "There's a difference."
"You don't have a group like ISIS or al Qaeda that is inspiring people around the world to take up arms and kill innocents. ... That was a one off, Alisyn," Duffy added.
Camerota mentioned 1995's Oklahoma City bombing before asking if the Trump surrogate believed that white terrorists exist. But Duffy said those incidents do not compare.
Asshole
"Why isn't the President talking about the white terrorists who mowed down six Muslims praying at their mosque," she asked.
"I don't know," the Wisconsin Republican replied, referencing the mass shooting at a mosque in Quebec City last month. "There's a difference."
"You don't have a group like ISIS or al Qaeda that is inspiring people around the world to take up arms and kill innocents. ... That was a one off, Alisyn," Duffy added.
Camerota mentioned 1995's Oklahoma City bombing before asking if the Trump surrogate believed that white terrorists exist. But Duffy said those incidents do not compare.
Asshole
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
It's not devastating at all, though - anybody who cares knows that the statement was untrue to begin with. Both the NYT and the BBC are just being reactive, while his admin just moves on to the next thing - creating their own reality.
teqniq
DisMembered
It seems to be a fairly standard model, the FT do the same thing. In any event I am of the opinion that if everyone on places like here registered, we would all get the chance to read stuff that we otherwise might not.
CRI
Registered Chooser
Yes - caught a glimpse somewhere today of someone saying similar - both that his "list" was designed to give the appearance of a high volume of unreported incidents. People would skim but not read it, not could have been his shopping list and most wouldn't notice. Also, it was probably another of his "big stirs" to divert attention from other stuff. Thing is, you can't entirely ignore the "shit flinging" of his tweets, speeches, etc. and just look for the "big story," because both have impact. The shit flinging plays very well with his core supporters, and I don't think it's wise to take eyes off what what his foot soldiers are thinking and doing.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I don't think the tactic is distraction - it's simply to constantly move forwards. Trump says X; media and opponents refute X, but by the time they've done that he says Y, which they contradict but then he's said Z etc etc. I linked to Karl Rove because this was the Bush regime's tactic and it worked very well until they lost their impetus and focus and the base they'd encouraged was disappointed with them.
Basically, reactive stuff is pointless. It's part of "liberal debate fetishism", the idea that you can out-argue people if they put up the front of having a justification for what they're doing and then you'll win. This is nonsense.
CrabbedOne
Walking sideways snippily
This is click bait.
I really doubt a raid already planned under the Obama administration against an AQ HVT would not have been green lighted by him. Obama cleared hundreds of man hunting ops. Targeted assassination was a signature Obama program. Less constitutionally compromising than capture and torture program that preceded it. He boasted about its success in Yemen. Before Yemen went tits up that is which may not be unconnected with the US taking it's eye off the regional ball and obsessing on terrorism. The South of Yemen is now crawling with AQ types giving Trump the finger.
Raheem
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It's not nonsense per se, although I'd agree it's nonsense to expect it to run according to the theory. But not everyone is immune to facts, so you can almost certainly slowly chip away at Trump's support by highlighting this sort of thing.
More broadly, the type of fetishism that I'm noticing a lot lately consists in reading incompetence as genius. What we're seeing here isn't the playing out of a carefully set-up ruse. Trump is prone to say ridiculous things and there are people paid to try to back up the ridiculous things he says, so they attempt to do that, and then they quickly move on because they can do no other. Why assume some underlying discourse theory?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Obama thought you could take the head off a snake and watch the body die. Liberals tend to this charmingly niave view of the world. Only bad leaders, nver bad systems. Even after some cunt has taken your olive branch, lit it on fire then pissed the fire out with their own cock.
ideologies just don't die when the main speaker or militant expert has been vanished. Never has, you store in angers that go very very deep. What objective reason do I have to feel rage at the murder of Fred Hampton? It would never affect my life. Yet still, yet still. It fosters a rage in me.
how much keener and closer then the feelings of people who see their champions, no matter how flawed, being cut down by the enemy? the outside enemy? fuckng mess
ideologies just don't die when the main speaker or militant expert has been vanished. Never has, you store in angers that go very very deep. What objective reason do I have to feel rage at the murder of Fred Hampton? It would never affect my life. Yet still, yet still. It fosters a rage in me.
how much keener and closer then the feelings of people who see their champions, no matter how flawed, being cut down by the enemy? the outside enemy? fuckng mess
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FridgeMagnet
Administrator
They may or may not even bother to check that what they're saying is even in the slightest true, because they don't need to. It doesn't matter. As long as it fits with the reality they've created and continue to create that's all that matters. This isn't genius, it's a well-known tactic that's been used many times before.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
ska invita
back on the other side
there's a difference between click bait and lies. You're suggesting it's a lie... This has been reported elsewhere... Could always search and see how it's reported elsewhere
Raheem
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Except what you seem to be suggesting is that the bizarre things Trump says and focuses on are thought through and planned that way. All the evidence is that he is simply someone who says and focuses on bizarre things, and the people around him just respond to that as best they can.
coley
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Unfortunately the timeline will probably end with a tweet, along the lines of " I want Defcon 1! NOW,NOW OK, don't argue..........Wanddya you mean the Russians have launched??"launched what??
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