The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

[NoXion]

More straw I see. No one is arguing against all of that. I recognise that kind of thing exists for a reason and has a useful purpose.

But nothing can be improved without critisism.

What happens if a bunch of medical professionals, do a study, for the British Medical Journey to publish their findings, for social media to then "fact check" those findings?

Facebook urged to act over incompetent “fact check” of BMJ investigation | BMJ

We've already established that Facebook moderation is dogshit. It's a good thing that social media is not the same thing as peer-reviewed literature.

Speaking of which, you've yet to share any.

 

[BigMoaner]

Cool. Fine. There are many things beyond politics, so when I rattle off endless benefits of an improved financial system, that deincentivises corruption, I expect a more mature response than "Yeah but you'll make money out of it so fuck off!!!"

Polticians have invested in "green solutions" some good some bad. I don't dismiss the good ones because a load of proponents have already invested in it and stand to make profits.

If someone discloses that they are pre-invested in anything, the grown up attitude is to be cautious, but not dismissive on that one fact.

you can believe waht you want obvisiouly, i just think you've got it very wrong re the vacinnes and covid and i would worry for anyone hanging out in the communities it sounds like your associating with.

 

[gentlegreen]

StakerOne already revealed they don't understand viruses and disease , so they would be better advised to learn some basic science first - I fully acknowledge the limits of my own understanding ...
Who knows, a little glimpse at the scale of the subject might change their perspective.

 

[StakerOne]

teh vacinnes should not be improved and analysed by experts, in peer reviewed journals and between university departments, said no one ever.

not by BitCoinBob from his laptop between watching porn hub

Of course such people would be wrong. But seeing as they don't have any power, any harms they do by spouting the bollocks they do, is the price we pay to live in a country with free speech. If we don't have free speech, we would eventually regress into such a state, we wouldn't be able to produce vaccinations in the first place.

 

[BigMoaner]

Of course such people would be wrong. But seeing as they don't have any power, any harms they do by spouting the bollocks they do, is the price we pay to live in a country with free speech. If we don't have free speech, we would eventually regress into such a state, we wouldn't be able to produce vaccinations in the first place.

no one is restricting your speech. okay, the private enterprise of facebook/youtube might, but i am sure you'll be given hi fives if you swagger into telegram. isnt that what the market is all about - companies having autonomy so they can choose waht to do?

 

[cupid_stunt]

You're also a nutcase Mike, and an utter cunt.

WTF is this about, an attempt to get banned?

 

[StakerOne]

you can believe waht you want obvisiouly, i just think you've got it very wrong re the vacinnes and covid and i would worry for anyone hanging out in the communities it sounds like your associating with.

I've taken a balanced view and open mind from the start.

I've only made one statement re Covid. The original Covid virus was much more dangerous than Omnicron. Do you disagree with that? I have an open mind on it.

As for the vaccinations. I'd rather be sat here having taken none of the vaccinations, rather than having taken all of them, then having to worry about whether there was something they missed, that could come back and get me in future.

That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have taken the vaccinations under the circumstances I was faced with at the time.

I'll expain this view the best I can.

Someone who has fought the viruses naturally and didn't take the vaccinations, is in a better position health wise today than someone who took the vaccinations HOWEVER, that's NOT an argument to avoid taking the vaccinations, because no one knew that back when the first virus hit and the vaccinations we first developed and released.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

[NoXion]

Of course such people would be wrong. But seeing as they don't have any power

But they do have power. The power of the grift. They can convince thousands of people to not only donate money, but to also avoid taking a potentially life-saving vaccination, endangering both their own lives and the lives of others in the process. One guy skipping a vaccination does not a disaster make, but if enough people do so while also spreading misinformation, then it can add up to considerable harm.

 

[gentlegreen]

WTF is this about, an attempt to get banned?

maybe the account has been hacked and the password needs to be reset

 

[NoXion]

As for the vaccinations. I'd rather be sat here having taken none of the vaccinations, rather than having taken all of them, then having to worry about whether there was something they missed, that could come back and get me in future.

What exactly are you afraid of that will "get you" in the future that you could have avoided by not taking any vaccinations?

 

[StakerOne]

no one is restricting your speech. okay, the private enterprise of facebook/youtube might, but i am sure you'll be given hi fives if you swagger into telegram. isnt that what the market is all about - companies having autonomy so they can choose waht to do?

Please don't insult my fucking intelligence. If Facebook/youtube were just fucking private companies, the left wouldn't waste a large chunk of their lives about social media regulation. When the right wins elections, it's all about fucking regulating social media. When someone can't say something you don't agree with, it's no big deal. Fuck off.

 

[BigMoaner]

I've taken a balanced view and open mind from the start.

I've only made one statement re Covid. The original Covid virus was much more dangerous than Omnicron. Do you disagree with that? I have an open mind on it.

As for the vaccinations. I'd rather be sat here having taken none of the vaccinations, rather than having taken all of them, then having to worry about whether there was something they missed, that could come back and get me in future.

That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have taken the vaccinations under the circumstances I was faced with at the time.

I'll expain this view the best I can.

Someone who has fought the viruses naturally and didn't take the vaccinations, is in a better position health wise today than someone who took the vaccinations HOWEVER, that's NOT an argument to avoid taking the vaccinations, because no one knew that back when the first virus hit and the vaccinations we first developed and released.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

lot going on there. i didn't want anti vaxxers people punished, i just wanted to call them fucking idiots - that's free speach though i guess. but the highlighted needs backing up - seems a wild claim.

 

[StakerOne]

What exactly are you afraid of that will "get you" in the future that you could have avoided by not taking any vaccinations?

There are no known unknowns. Also, those that didn't get vaccinated but did contract the virus, are in a far better position to fight the virus. Natural immunity trumps vaccinated immunity, BUT only after fighting the virus once - and surviving, so I'm NOT making an argument against vaccination.

 

[NoXion]

I'll expain this view the best I can.

Someone who has fought the viruses naturally and didn't take the vaccinations, is in a better position health wise today than someone who took the vaccinations HOWEVER, that's NOT an argument to avoid taking the vaccinations, because no one knew that back when the first virus hit and the vaccinations we first developed and released.

This is just a watered-down version of the same shit that the regular loons come out with about the vax killing people. Where is your evidence that people who have been infected without vaccination have better health outcomes than those who have been vaccinated?

Bottom line, you can't get long covid from the vax. But you can get it from a coronavirus infection.

 

[StakerOne]

StakerOne already revealed they don't understand viruses and disease , so they would be better advised to learn some basic science first - I fully acknowledge the limits of my own understanding ...
Who knows, a little glimpse at the scale of the subject might change their perspective.

I said I'm open to reason. That doesn't include being patronised. You're now free to get back to why soo many people don't share your world view.

 

[NoXion]

There are no known unknowns.

But we do know that that the stuff in covid vaccinations doesn't remain long in the body. As such there is no plausible mechanism of harm.

Also, those that didn't get vaccinated but did contract the virus, are in a far better position to fight the virus. Natural immunity trumps vaccinated immunity, BUT only after fighting the virus once - and surviving

Bullshit. Long covid wants a word, and that's something you can only get from coronavirus infection, and not vaccination.

 

[Storm Fox]

Just looked at d.tube. This is it's trending list.

So some quite interesting stuff and nothing that would get banned from youtube. I'm not going to dig any further though.

 

[NoXion]

Just looked at d.tube. This is it's trending list.
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So some quite interesting stuff and nothing that would get banned from youtube. I'm not going to dig any further though.

Yeah, I'd say that there are so many non-English results that it's hard to make a judgment either way.

 

[LDC]

WTF is this about, an attempt to get banned?

Check his avatar byline or whatever it's called cupid_stunt. Think he's a bit losing the plot.

 

[gentlegreen]

I said I'm open to reason. That doesn't include being patronised. You're now free to get back to why soo many people don't share your world view.

I don't really have one.
I'm just waiting for the nice lady to bring me my dinner.

 

[gentlegreen]

Anyway I'm totally bored with this now so will iggy this thread for a bit.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Someone who has fought the viruses naturally and didn't take the vaccinations, is in a better position health wise today than someone who took the vaccinations HOWEVER, that's NOT an argument to avoid taking the vaccinations, because no one knew that back when the first virus hit and the vaccinations we first developed and released.

Do you have a reputable source for this claim please? It sounds like utter bollocks to me, and I can think of at least 3 reasons why it makes no sense at all but I'm not a scientist so I'd like to see your workings.

 

[bimble]

There are no known unknowns.

yes there are: A known unknown just means something that you know you don't know.
So you suspect that having been vaccinated makes you vulnerable to sickness of some kind but you don't know which kind, is that right?


I think the attacks on you are a bit over the top, you're just the best target that's walked into the arena for a while and people are having fun with it.
For instance my next door neighbour reckons (or did) that vaccinated people shed harmful waves of badness through the air, which can be contracted if you get too close and might make you infertile. That's a whole different level from whatever you're saying isn't it.

(disclaimer: i am trying to work on my anti anti vax attitude, because I am going to have to make friends with a vaccine-refuser person soon and am nervous about it, aware of how prejudiced I am before even meeting him based on that one thing. )

 

[SpineyNorman]

Please don't insult my fucking intelligence. If Facebook/youtube were just fucking private companies, the left wouldn't waste a large chunk of their lives about social media regulation. When the right wins elections, it's all about fucking regulating social media. When someone can't say something you don't agree with, it's no big deal. Fuck off.

That wasn't insulting your intelligence but this is you thick dunning Krueger cunt.

 

[StakerOne]

This is just a watered-down version of the same shit that the regular loons come out with about the vax killing people. Where is your evidence that people who have been infected without vaccination have better health outcomes than those who have been vaccinated?

Bottom line, you can't get long covid from the vax. But you can get it from a coronavirus infection.

Past Covid infection as protective as vaccination against severe illness and death, study finds
Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis

 

[NoXion]

Past Covid infection as protective as vaccination against severe illness and death, study finds
Past SARS-CoV-2 infection protection against re-infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis

It's still safer to get vaccinated. Much lower risk of complications.

COVID-19 infection poses higher risk for myocarditis than vaccines

The overall risk of myocarditis was higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than in the weeks after vaccination for the coronavirus, new research shows.

www.heart.org

 

[SpineyNorman]

This is just a watered-down version of the same shit that the regular loons come out with about the vax killing people. Where is your evidence that people who have been infected without vaccination have better health outcomes than those who have been vaccinated?

Bottom line, you can't get long covid from the vax. But you can get it from a coronavirus infection.

You're also far more likely to get myocarditis from infection than the vaccine - 4 times more likely iirc

You also don't get permanent damage to the lungs from a vaccine.

But we can't know for sure that the nanobots won't be activated after 4 years and kill us all so I guess that trumps actual science.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are no known unknowns. Also, those that didn't get vaccinated but did contract the virus, are in a far better position to fight the virus. Natural immunity trumps vaccinated immunity, BUT only after fighting the virus once - and surviving, so I'm NOT making an argument against vaccination.

That's good because you don't have the wherewithal to construct one that'll hold water. And there are loads of known unknowns - obviously.

 

[StakerOne]

No it wouldn't

Yes it would.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yes it would.

Make the case then, if you can