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The stupidity of the anti-vaxx nutcases

I would have thought the benefits would have been obvious. No bad actor can swoop in and erase history.

I couldn't care less how great you might think the people begind youtube are, tomorrow they could turn out to be a pack of evil twats.
I don't think at all about 'the people behind YouTube.' They are just there, and there's nothing anybody can do about it. People will continue to watch YouTube.

What history do you think they're involved in erasing?
 
Because it doesn't stop there, it didn't stop there. Please, you know at least that.

To be honest I don't know much about how YouTube works. I can say I've been seeing a bit less far-right and conspiracy bullshit turning up in my feed as of late, but it's still out there if I wanted to find it.
 
To be honest I don't know much about how YouTube works. I can say I've been seeing a bit less far-right and conspiracy bullshit turning up in my feed as of late, but it's still out there if I wanted to find it.
I look for it sometimes. It's actually quite entertaining in a 'dirty' kind of way. A bit like looking up old episodes of the Benny Hill show.
 
You're not fooling anyone
He seems to forget that anybody who is actually working class realises that the working class comprises people who are good and honest, the opposite of that and (probably a majority, including me) somewhere in between. And, as with people from the middle class, relatively few go about 'saying what the fuck they want,' as it isn't really possible in any and every situation.

It's long been a right-wing tactic to claim a mythical no-nonsense working class for themselves. The US academic Christopher Lasch was one of the first, as far as I've ever been able to tell, who tried to explain how this came about. He explained the Tea Party and Trump etc over 40 years ago.
 
He seems to forget that anybody who is actually working class realises that the working class comprises people who are good and honest, the opposite of that and (probably a majority, including me) somewhere in between. And, as with people from the middle class, relatively few go about 'saying what the fuck they want,' as it isn't really possible in any and every situation.

It's long been a right-wing tactic to claim a mythical no-nonsense working class for themselves. The US academic Christopher Lasch was one of the first, as far as I've ever been able to tell, who tried to explain how this came about. He explained the Tea Party and Trump etc over 40 years ago.

Not heard of Lasch, but not disagreeing with what you're saying here..
 
He seems to forget that anybody who is actually working class realises that the working class comprises people who are good and honest, the opposite of that and (probably a majority, including me) somewhere in between. And, as with people from the middle class, relatively few go about 'saying what the fuck they want,' as it isn't really possible in any and every situation.

It's long been a right-wing tactic to claim a mythical no-nonsense working class for themselves. The US academic Christopher Lasch was one of the first, as far as I've ever been able to tell, who tried to explain how this came about. He explained the Tea Party and Trump etc over 40 years ago.
tbf and honest, right and left doesn't mean much anymore, especially when there has been crossover on a bunch of issues. The left used to be against the European Project and for free speech.
 
To be honest I don't know much about how YouTube works. I can say I've been seeing a bit less far-right and conspiracy bullshit turning up in my feed as of late, but it's still out there if I wanted to find it.
Oh the far right can exist and spout as much shite as I could ever find the far left spout.

But the "shite" that embarasses the government or it's allies ... that "shite" gets taken down real quick.
 
Not heard of Lasch, but not disagreeing with what you're saying here..
I discovered Lasch, an ex-Marxist, in the early-mid 1990s when any thoughtful leftie should have been at least a bit introspective. I found his political conclusions pretty hopeless, but his explanations as to how we got to where we were convincing. Due to the left's seeming incapability of self-criticism, the situation has only worsened. It's a long time since I've read anything of his, but I do remember that he had a grasp of reality (at least in the US-which has a record of exporting its problems) and the way that top-down left-liberalism had a tendency to alienate the very people it was supposed to benefit.
 
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tbf and honest, right and left doesn't mean much anymore, especially when there has been crossover on a bunch of issues. The left used to be against the European Project and for free speech.
I agree about Europe and free speech, but the idea that the left-right divide, while it doesn't address the real, possibly insoluble problems everybody on the planet faces, is now redundant only ever seems to benefit the right. And in doing so benefits the very people who are driving those very same problems.
 
The IPFS isn't crypto and blockchains don't solve everything, but they solve a lot.
How? People who are into this stuff still have to exist on the same planet as everybody else, don't they? And its problems aren't going away no matter what views an individual subscribes to.
 
the American Democratic Party is a right wing party. Haven’t you even figured that out yet?
welcome to america, where joe biden is a communist.

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Oh the far right can exist and spout as much shite as I could ever find the far left spout.

But the "shite" that embarasses the government or it's allies ... that "shite" gets taken down real quick.

You've lost your grip on reality StakerOne. You and your ilk are thoroughly depressing, people who think they're radical have been conned by some money grabbing grifters and idiots making videos on Youtube and fucking up your ability to tell fact from fiction and sending you down some rabbithole of shit politics.
 
I'm actually starting to think free speech is overrated, looking at where it's brought us. I don't really understand how 'citizens being able to express without legal sanction political views that oppose the status quo' (which is how I understand the idea of free speech) has degenerated into 'I get to say whatever I want at any time no matter how untrue it is or how harmful the effects of my words might be for other people'. Which is less free speech and more stroppy teen speech. We're like an entire society of stroppy teens who can't abide being told 'no' and who revel in the selfishness of 'I can say and do whatever I want and you can't stop me nyah!' It's laughable, or it would be if it weren't to fucking toxic :facepalm:
 
There's definitely a debate to be had about the power of a few large corporate entities in controlling what gets seen isn't there. The whole 'censorship!' thing has it totally back to front though. What would get you genuinely censored on the internet? Child porn and holocaust denial perhaps, although there's sadly plenty of that online still. It's certainly not your bog-standard conspiracy shit is it. The power comes in mediating what people do see not in censoring stuff entirely and the effect of sticking up some tedious 'truth-bombs' somewhere won't be any different if they're on an uncensorable blockchain.

This dickhead might be well up for the child porn and holocaust denial though tbf.
 
I'm actually starting to think free speech is overrated, looking at where it's brought us. I don't really understand how 'citizens being able to express without legal sanction political views that oppose the status quo' (which is how I understand the idea of free speech) has degenerated into 'I get to say whatever I want at any time no matter how untrue it is or how harmful the effects of my words might be for other people'. Which is less free speech and more stroppy teen speech. We're like an entire society of stroppy teens who can't abide being told 'no' and who revel in the selfishness of 'I can say and do whatever I want and you can't stop me nyah!' It's laughable, or it would be if it weren't to fucking toxic :facepalm:
I'm actually starting to think free speech is overrated, looking at where it's brought us. I don't really understand how 'citizens being able to express without legal sanction political views that oppose the status quo' (which is how I understand the idea of free speech)
^^^ We don't have even that.

1. Oppose the status quo and do no damage and offend no one.
2. Oppose the status quo and do damage.
3. Oppose the status quo and offend the wrong person.

2 and 3 will get you into trouble, 1 won't, offering you the illusion that everything is OK.
 
You've lost your grip on reality StakerOne. You and your ilk are thoroughly depressing, people who think they're radical have been conned by some money grabbing grifters and idiots making videos on Youtube and fucking up your ability to tell fact from fiction and sending you down some rabbithole of shit politics.
Wow. You're really making me re-think my position here. :rolleyes:
 
Think you place way too much faith in the crypto/blockchain woo
Nope. I laugh and watch as over and over again, people are being ripped off by a financial system and the "solution" is always to "trust that other cunt instead" when the real solution doesn't involve trusting anyone in the first place.
 
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