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the sir jimmy savile obe thread

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There was a good opinion piece in the Guardian today about this. Can't remember who it was, but the jist was: even showing leniency for his age and whatever else, and the restrictions on the length of sentence available due to the different laws, he could still have served his sentences consecutively which would have worked out about 10 years. Half that for good behaviour and he'd have done a minimum of 5. I don't think many people would have been too disappointed with that.

Again, though, his barrister would have had grounds for appeal based on precedent - i.e. there's little precedent in cases of multiple sexual offences, for consecutive sentences, they're almost always served concurrently unless there are only two or three offences. It's a shitter, but it's constitutionally correct. :(
 
Yep, that's how I felt about it.

I don't know how this investigation into the sentencing works, but hopefully the home secretary or whoever does it can just switch that concurrently into a consecutively and that's the last we need to hear of him.

Of course things are never simple and rarely have the right outcomes in cases like this :(

They probably won't be able to switch it, but they may up the sentence to the full sentence (15 months), or to the maximum sentence allowed by the tariff (2 years, I think).
 
Again, though, his barrister would have had grounds for appeal based on precedent - i.e. there's little precedent in cases of multiple sexual offences, for consecutive sentences, they're almost always served concurrently unless there are only two or three offences. It's a shitter, but it's constitutionally correct. :(
I've never quite understood how the distinction between awarding sentences consecutively vs concurrently is made in UK law. I'm aware that in the US, it is much more common to have sentences run consecutively, with the result that people end up with 250 year sentences (which always seems faintly ludicrous to me), but it seems that it is only rarely that such sentencing is done here.

I know that with concurrent sentences, things like parole decisions are made taking each parallel sentence into consideration, so someone serving n concurrent sentences is somewhat less likely to get parole or early release that someone serving n/2...have I got that right?

Might be useful to know, given that it looks like we're going to see quite a few cases like Hall's coming up in future, with several similar offences being sentenced at once...
 
I've never quite understood how the distinction between awarding sentences consecutively vs concurrently is made in UK law. I'm aware that in the US, it is much more common to have sentences run consecutively, with the result that people end up with 250 year sentences (which always seems faintly ludicrous to me), but it seems that it is only rarely that such sentencing is done her.

I know that with concurrent sentences, things like parole decisions are made taking each parallel sentence into consideration, so someone serving n concurrent sentences is somewhat less likely to get parole or early release that someone serving n/2...have I got that right?

Might be useful to know, given that it looks like we're going to see quite a few cases like Hall's coming up in future, with several similar offences being sentenced at once...

The approach here is more a quirk of history based on pragmatism, given our former habit of exiling prisoners to the colonies. Why have someone serve their multiple life sentences consecutively when it looked more merciful to allow them to serve them concurrently, and you didn't need to worry about them popping up again? No skin off of milady Justice's nose!
As for parole, yes, they have to take the fact that more than one sentence is being served into consideration for parole, but it isn't factored into "standard"" sentence-remission calculations. That's calculated purely on the longest sentence, and remitted accordingly, unfortunately. No reduction of "time off for good behaviour" because you're serving concurrent sentences.
 
The approach here is more a quirk of history based on pragmatism, given our former habit of exiling prisoners to the colonies. Why have someone serve their multiple life sentences consecutively when it looked more merciful to allow them to serve them concurrently, and you didn't need to worry about them popping up again? No skin off of milady Justice's nose!
As for parole, yes, they have to take the fact that more than one sentence is being served into consideration for parole, but it isn't factored into "standard"" sentence-remission calculations. That's calculated purely on the longest sentence, and remitted accordingly, unfortunately. No reduction of "time off for good behaviour" because you're serving concurrent sentences.

This might be outside the scope of this thread, but vaguely relevant, and you seems very clued up on our justice system so I'm taking the opportunity: with the system of precedence, what does it take to overrule the precedent and set a new one? Just one instance? A high court ruling after multiple appeals?
 
This might be outside the scope of this thread, but vaguely relevant, and you seems very clued up on our justice system so I'm taking the opportunity: with the system of precedence, what does it take to overrule the precedent and set a new one? Just one instance? A high court ruling after multiple appeals?

Precedent doesn't get over-ruled, it gets varied, usually through a single instance, and then reinforced through use of that instance as a precedent in its own right, if you see what I mean. Even high court rulings tend to rely on varying or amending precedent rather than completely superceding it.
Not that clued up, btw, but worked for Prisons Dept of the Home Office, and studied criminology at postgrad level, so have a head filled with lots of mostly-useless info.
 
Even high court rulings tend to rely on varying or amending precedent rather than completely superceding it.

And the alternative is when the High Court says "sorry, but we have to do stupid thing X: Parliament, sort it aht!"

'Course there's a constant tension over where the line between the courts' interpretation and Parliament's legislation lies. See the courts effectively creating a law of privacy, based on European Convention rights, because Parliament wouldn't...
 
There should have been a lot more fuss made about that. Here's someone who wasn't afraid to say out loud not just that he had suspicions about what Savile was up to, but that it was, essentially, common knowledge within the BBC...
 
I dunno, how much more did he say? "I bet he's into things we all know about but aren't allowed to say... I've heard the rumours". It's better than nothing, but it's still not very direct.
 
It also came in the middle of Rotten's fantasy about killing 200 celebs... It's hardly surprising that his murder fantasies were binned at the time, it's not evidence, just confirmation that Lydon had heard all the rumours about Savile.
 
Interesting for a number of reasons:

Savile story dropped by Sunday Mirror [in 1994] because paper could not afford to lose libel battle


Former Sunday Mirror editor Paul Connew has revealed that the paper did not expose Jimmy Savile as a serial child sex offender in 1994 because it could not afford to lose a libel trial.

Connew said the paper would have lost a defamation trial with Savile partly because the two victims who came to him, from Duncroft school, did not want to be named.

The editor, who believed their stories, also said the paper would have lost because, at the time, libel trials were overseen by juries who were likely to have been “starstruck” by Savile.

This is the Reynolds defence
 
'Nother one:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23667996

An 80-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of sexual offences as part of the Operation Yewtree investigation into alleged historical abuse.

He was arrested at an address in south London and was later released on bail until October, the Met Police said.

...The latest arrest falls under the strand of the investigation termed "Savile and others".

Who dat, then?
 
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