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Edina Currie is on the ITV program talking about Broadmoor, and they have Savile's female assistant on too. Did you see they way he reacted to her on the This is your life I posted the other day?
 
They spent a good while on his establishment connections, and plenty of time grilling Franey and detailing how Savile got Franey the job. Even showed the this is your life clip of their friendly greeting.
 
In terms of new little details that I dont think got much of a mention here in the past, there wasnt much.

Off the top of my head, when exploring his catholic links Basil Hume came up. In terms of Broadmoor it seems that Ray Rowden questioned Franey about Savile but was ignored. And when Savile was talking about what dirt he had on Broadmoor staff, a 'possible IRA cell' was mentioned.
 
elbows said:
If anyone is interested in the early club scene side of Savile, this blog post may be of interest:

http://thesumpplug.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/don-jimmy-gambino-obe.html

Its not afraid of hyperbole and may be sloppy with some other details but it's still kind of interesting.
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hmm. It's interesting, but it makes a lot of probably false assumptions.

For instance, why assume that he was skimming from the door as opposed to have a profit share arrangement on the tickets, or even taking all ticket money and the venue getting the bar take + hire fee type arrangement that's fairly standard. No reason at all that a DJ and promoter who's packing out venues 7 days a week couldn't have been earning easily enough money to buy himself a rolls royce legitimately, and I doubt he'd have ended up as a director of the firm if he'd been skimming that much cash from it for that long - Eric Morley doesn't sound like the sort who'd have stood for that.

As for wanting to be cut in on any deals... well yeah, I can see that being likely, as with a fair proportion of everyone who's worked in that field ever.

Taking money off record companies for promo... that's just capitalism.

Running his own bouncer team... well maybe, or maybe they were just employed by Mecca but worked his gigs because they were particularly busy, rowdy gigs. Though a club promoter and Dj managing venues across an entire region having a team of hard nut bouncers is hardly a surprise, you'd be pretty fucked without them really, and bouncers tend to know who's responsible for bringing the punters in and keeping them in work and act like they work directly for them to some extent regardless of who actually signs the wage cheques anyway.

TBH I can't help but be impressed by what he managed in that period, it certainly looks like he did it via hard graft and a lot of balls, plus probably at least the necessary amount of corruption and thuggery to keep that sort of thing going. The guy certainly had a lot more about him, and would have had a hell of a lot more backing and contacts than virtually any radio DJ, tv presenter or celebrity I can think of today. Puts a bit of a different spin on his background for me (although I knew some of it, I'd not really know the extent of it).

Maybe he did have a big enough network of contacts, and hard nut / criminal back up to keep his kiddie fiddling activities under wraps without necessarily needing security service assistance. He'd certainly have known who the bent coppers were across much of the country, which'd certainly help with that, along with the ability to get some hard nuts to threaten / hurt anyone if needed.

It does also put a bit of a different spin on the idea of him being some sort of fixer / procurer of kids for a paedophile network. He'd certainly have the necessary skillset and aptitude for that role, along with the sort of entrepreneurial initiative and criminal contacts someone would need to do it. I'd previously thought this was all a bit unlikely because I'd just been thinking of him as this tv personality, rather than someone with that background. Whether he did act in this way I've no idea, but that article certainly highlights the fact that he would have had the ability to do it if he chose to, and with that sort of personality, I can quite easily see him choosing to do it even if he didn't need to financially.
 
Many good points there. I agree that the article may be going off down the wrong path when it comes to some of the specifics, but still interesting background anyway.

Nothing we've heard so far has given me much reason to go down the path of thinking he was a procurer of kids for others, at least not beyond generally attracting them due to his fame, but I'm still open to the possibility I suppose. If there is any truth to it then it will surely be a tough nut to crack.

A fixer, intimidator and collector of dirt on others seems quite plausible, and would be another reason why he was left alone when alive.

I remain rather interested in the this is your life tale from his eldest sister about him being unconscious for months as a baby/toddler. A traumatic brain injury is not necessary to explain his behaviour and personality, but it is a subject I am interested in, especially as we start to learn more about all sorts of head injuries and their long-term effects (eg work that is exposing just how serious concussions can be in later life).
 
exiledinwales said:
Why's this Ben Fellows not credible? Middle-aged tv producers and directors shagging child actors on the promise of work sounds pretty dodgy to me.
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it's not so much his article that's not credible, it's more the fact that he hosts a conspiracy theory type internet radio show, and has discussed some proper bollocks stories on it that raises some eyebrows, and make people wonder if all is really as he says it is - certainly with the thinly veiled allegations against certain named politicians.
 
elbows said:
Many good points there. I agree that the article may be going off down the wrong path when it comes to some of the specifics, but still interesting background anyway.

Nothing we've heard so far has given me much reason to go down the path of thinking he was a procurer of kids for others, at least not beyond generally attracting them due to his fame, but I'm still open to the possibility I suppose. If there is any truth to it then it will surely be a tough nut to crack.
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to be clear, I'm not saying I think he did or didn't act in this way. I'm just saying that I'd previously discounted it entirely as I didn't see that a radio DJ / tv personality would have the necessary aptitude to do it. Now I've had chance to really consider his actual background before he started on top of the pops etc I can see that he clearly actually would have the ability to pull such a role off, as well as the sort of ego driven promoter mindset that could provide the sort of motivation someone might need to do that sort of thing when they didn't actually need the money from it.

So essentially I'm just saying that I'd now view it as a realistic possibility, rather than something that he'd have been unlikely to have been capable of pulling off.

elbows said:
A fixer, intimidator and collector of dirt on others seems quite plausible, and would be another reason why he was left alone when alive.
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This article outlining his background, really does strengthen the support for this aspect of things, along with his probably access to bent coppers in police forces across the country from his time with mecca, where he'd also have learnt how to actually go about bribing coppers, magistrates etc to get things done, plus the art of successfully threatening (and probably hurting) people to build and protect a dodgy businesses empire.
 
A brain damaged Machiavellian fit for the era of pop & fame.

Part of my interest in him is that I had the misfortune to know someone with similar personality traits in some key ways, only the bloke I knew was too stupid to do it properly at all and failed at almost every turn.
 
The number of arrests being made as a result of people coming forward now that they're likely to be believed and treated with some sensitivity is a sorely needed indictment of attitudes to sexual harrassment and assault back then, and the attitude of the police to this day.

I was assaulted by a doctor in Australia when I was 18 (25 years ago). It's bothered me for years that I never reported it. I'm reporting it now because of Savile. No chance of a prosecution let alone a conviction, but if he has other complaints on his file that have not been dealt with, maybe it will help. Scum.
 
ymu said:
The number of arrests being made as a result of people coming forward now that they're likely to be believed and treated with some sensitivity is a sorely needed indictment of attitudes to sexual harrassment and assault back then, and the attitude of the police to this day.
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Despite my being shocked by Stuart Hall's arrest, I do fully agree with this point too.
 
ymu said:
The number of arrests being made as a result of people coming forward now that they're likely to be believed and treated with some sensitivity is a sorely needed indictment of attitudes to sexual harrassment and assault back then, and the attitude of the police to this day.

I was assaulted by a doctor in Australia when I was 18 (25 years ago). It's bothered me for years that I never reported it. I'm reporting it now because of Savile. No chance of a prosecution let alone a conviction, but if he has other complaints on his file that have not been dealt with, maybe it will help. Scum.
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Good for you ymu

You have done exactly the right thing. It means a lot to other victims / survivors to know that they are not alone and that there is a statement from another victim supporting theirs.

Many people never report sexual assaults by a doctor / dentist / therapist / some other person in a position of power and authority. I know from experience how devastating it is to report it and to be told "nobody else has ever complained" as if it invalidates your complaint.

By the time a victim feels able to report such a crime to the police or health authority the perpetrator is likely to have a long history of abusing patients and I very much doubt that the doctor who assaulted you picked on you alone.

Thank you for reporting him. You absolutely 100% did the right thing.
 
two sheds said:
Yes, the response to "nobody else has ever complained" is "well you're never going to be able to say that again, are you? Because I'm complaining now. "
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Exactly what happened to me.

My statement on file at least meant that when another victim felt able to report the perpetrator she was taken a lot more seriously than I was.

All we can ever do is to do our best to do the right thing by ourselves and others. We cannot ensure that a perpetrator is charged or convicted, but we can at least make our voices heard.
 
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