the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[butchersapron]

In which his clients pour out their paedo antics to him.

 

[Pickman's model]

In which his clients pour out their paedo antics to him.

for mc's salacious interest?

 

[butchersapron]

Bingo.

 

[gosub]

i think you mean 'the police have all the files'

Coz he got to the top of his game by leaving stuff where people could find it.

 

[butchersapron]

Coz he got to the top of his game by leaving stuff where people could find it.

What files does he have then?

 

[Citizen66]

In the unlikely event that he's sitting on information of criminality that he's conspired to cover up, how is that going to help him right now?

 

[Pickman's model]

Coz he got to the top of his game by leaving stuff where people could find it.

like in his computers you mean.

 

[Pickman's model]

In the unlikely event that he's sitting on information of criminality that he's conspired to cover up, how is that going to help him right now?

it'll solve any housing worries he might have

 

[butchersapron]

In the unlikely event that he's sitting on information of criminality that he's conspired to cover up, how is that going to help him right now?

Haven't you seen the films - the ones where that happens?

Cut a deal with the DA

 

[butchersapron]

Hello is that max clifford? Hello max, i'm a paedophile. Here is all the info on my paedo stuff.


Really? Right?

 

[ymu]

That's him then recording what someone wanting to cover something up has told him. You don't go, hey maxy i'm a massive paedo i done this and i done that, can you help? You talk about minimising potential damage should certain situations arise.

Yeah, I can't remember the specifics. I think it was about keeping a story out of the press. I don't think it was Savile himself, but a Savile-esque move to stop something being printed.

 

[Citizen66]

Cut a deal with the DA

That's what professional crooks do. Not PR people who feel their career may be salvageable if they get off.

 

[butchersapron]

That's what professional crooks do. Not PR people who feel their career may be salvageable if they get off.

Exactly.

 

[gosub]

like in his computers you mean.

He's a year younger than my dad who was building computers in his spare time in the 60s, still believes in paper, and his leverage cards he keeps well offshore. Can't see Mr Clifford being much different

 

[Pickman's model]

He's a year younger than my dad who was building computers in his spare time in the 60s, still believes in paper, and his leverage cards he keeps well offshore. Can't see Mr Clifford being much different

yes because all auld people are paperphiles.

 

[elbows]

http://newsthump.com/2012/12/06/max...-to-represent-max-clifford-over-abuse-claims/

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Office worker Simon Williams told us, “I was prepared to give Max Clifford the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that he’s secured the services of Max Clifford looks very suspicious, don’t you think?”​

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“Why would any innocent person get Max Clifford to represent them, unless they were only in it for the money?”​

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“If I was Max Clifford I’d ditch Max Clifford and distance myself from him really quickly.”​

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“No, the other way round.”​

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PR executive Joseph Williamton-Smythe explained, “Celebrities involved in sex abuse scandals would normally be encouraged to seek Max Clifford’s services, but I’m not sure it’s the right move for Max Clifford in this case.”

“There’s the simple guilt by association element, but also why would Max Clifford want to be represented by an alleged sex offender?”

 

[gosub]

Given his industry, probably a fair few c90s stashed in bank too,

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't think that the investigation, arrest or even conviction of a bunch of dead or nearly-dead old pervs for alleged long-ago perving is going to re-order the world that much.

Giles..

What makes you think an investigation is "going to reorder the word"? Why say that?

 

[elbows]

Possibly because I misused the Tony Blair 9/11 quote about such things yesterday.

 

[ymu]

I don't think that the investigation, arrest or even conviction of a bunch of dead or nearly-dead old pervs for alleged long-ago perving is going to re-order the world that much.

Giles..

That's because you don't get what it is that is in need of reordering because it does not affect you.

If the only outcome of this is "the investigation, arrest or even conviction of a bunch of dead or nearly-dead old pervs for alleged long-ago perving" then it will be a missed opportunity. If it alters attitudes amongst those who are still promoting disgusting attitudes towards women and towards sexual assault (of both men and women), especially amongst the police who are still shrugging and laughing at people who report sexual assaults whilst filing their reports away uninvestigated, and makes the expression of dodgy attitudes socially unacceptable, then it will have done something to 'reorder the world'.

This isn't just about Savile, it's about the power relations that allow him and his ilk to operate, and societal attitudes which actively encourage men to think of women as being there for their sexual satisfaction and nothing else. I believe elbows was expressing a desire for a broad, rather than narrow, outcome from these revelations and I agree with him.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Police have arrested a man in his 60's in London.

 

[yardbird]

Arrested under the heading "Others".

 

[1927]

Having just learnt the name of the latest arrest our childhood's really are being arrested in front of our eyes, there wont be anyone left soon!

 

[Pickman's model]

Having just learnt the name of the latest arrest our childhood's really are being arrested in front of our eyes, there wont be anyone left soon!

so who is it then?

 

[Lord Camomile]

Twitter's bloody useless for finding out! Well, or I'm bloody useless at using it...

 

[yardbird]

Another man in his 60s arrested in London
BBC breaking.

 

[Badgers]

Another man in his 60s arrested in London
BBC breaking.

As per a few posts up?

 

[1927]

so who is it then?

Im sure Ed wouldnt be happy of I did that. Its Christmas!

 

[1927]

Twitter's bloody useless for finding out! Well, or I'm bloody useless at using it...

Guess you have to know who it is first so you can confirm it on twitter.lol

 

[ymu]

Having just learnt the name of the latest arrest our childhood's really are being arrested in front of our eyes, there wont be anyone left soon!

Aye. Grace Dent nailed it with this article, right back at the start of all this:

The Jimmy Savile abuse scandal means men across Britain will sleep uneasily, remembering past 'conquests'

Instead of faux-outrage and arse-covering about history, I’d be happier to hear strident plans to protect and listen to young women in the future. More of that, please


Amid all the hand-wringing and harrumphing over Jimmy Savile’s alleged behaviour with teenagers in the 1970s and 80s – and any subsequent cover up – what one won’t hear much is a blasé sigh and, “Well, it was all quite normal then.” Which it was. We’ve never had much of a clue how to protect young women from older male predators, or whether to believe them when they blow the whistle. If recent events in Rochdale tell us anything, we’re still almost as clueless now.

My memories of the 80s are that schoolgirls were by and large fair game as long as they were vaguely post-pubescent. Grass on the pitch, ho ho etc. Cars would pull up at the school gate to collect “girlfriends”. The family planning centre dished out pills willy-nilly. The age of consent was treated much as wearing your seatbelt or driving home when hammered. A petty law. I mean, blimey, these men with teen girls weren’t paedophiles! These weren’t your common or garden sexual perverts in bi-focal lenses and raincoats loitering by infant school railings waiting for handstand season. These were simply older guys, totally well-adjusted, in their thirties and forties who seemed to surround themselves with young women of circa O-level age and get them drunk and have sex with them. Nothing to see here.

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