the sir jimmy savile obe thread
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Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
The Octagon
Stop...Hammertime
I liked somebody's guess on that site that Newsnight don't actually have a name, but are waiting to see which politician's lawyers contact them first with a threatening phone call 
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hush.Labour or Conservative? Thatcher years and no year mentioned?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
elbows
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I certainly hope they go ahead with the report because I'm sick of dredging through historical speculation with no real way to confirm any underage aspect of it. Quite apart from all the other dodgy agendas that drive some of the online speculation, its almost impossible to determine which of the rumours are more about homophobia than anything else.
Not if he is innocent no it wouldn't.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Are we allowed to cast aspersions on dead politicians on here? Cos Private Eye has published allegations about a recently dead politician.
That is hardly a secret. I don't think that linking to an already published article in a news and current affairs magazine is an issue?
elbows
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Well I've never noticed it cause a problem here in the past, so long as they are dead.
1%er
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They can't sue from the grave
I got 2 names in my emails today, both very senior tories, one has had their name in public already [now redacted] but the other was news to me.
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
Family? I mean, I honestly don't know, just thought it could be a concern.They can't sue from the grave
elbows
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They can't sue from the grave
I got 2 names in my emails today, both very senior tories, one has had their name in public already [now redacted] but the other was news to me.
I can think of at least half a dozen names of living politicians who have been extensively speculated about online. I have no means to judge whether any of them are the subject of the potential newsnight piece, and certainly no reason to think that the more sensational ones are the most likely to emerge.
By doing a little googling I came up with two names one an MP and one a ex-MP.I've got to say though it's hard to extract info from the huge amount of wingnuttery dross out there.They can't sue from the grave
I got 2 names in my emails today, both very senior tories, one has had their name in public already [now redacted] but the other was news to me.
elbows
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It wasnt Cyril Smith again was it? We had no problem talking about that here before.
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/cyril-smith-dies.258848/
1%er
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I don't think you can bring a case of defamation on behalf of a dead person. If you are rich and powerful you may keep things out of the press for years while alive but once dead your fair game, I believe.
Maxwell is a good example, everyone knew he was at it, but no-one would stand up because of his money and power, they knew he would sue them and keep the cost going up.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Aye, him. But if Private Eye are getting flak from his family...
elbows
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If all Private Eye can do these days is dig up old stories they covered before, rather than say anything new about the living that risks legal action, I doubt we have to worry too much about talking about stuff they've published.
1%er
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Of the two serving MPs I'm talking about, one came out last week and said "it wasn't me", the other is even more senior than him [nowadays], but the newsnight thing says "senior political figure" so it may not be an MP.
(I looked at my emails a long time before I came to read here today and heard about newsnight, they may not be linked at all)
elbows
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Would this be a self outing? Can you issue a libel writ and still remain anonymous? Could you issue a writ whilst still hiding behind an injunction?
Privately threaten to go after them for libel before the story is published, but only go ahead and do it if the story is published. No self outing involved. Injunctions on the other hand are risky if they come unstuck, as happened just a few weeks back.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How/why 7 national papers turned down the Savile story - it's down to Leveson reckons the journo.
the button
out on the kocker
It's a dark day for <editor: NO ffs> Britain.
elbows
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Although in a very limited context it may be true, it drives me crazy because for me the question isnt why didnt the press touch the Savile story after his death, its why they didnt touch it for decades when he was alive? And the reasons why completely undermine their prior defence against Leveson, that they provide a public service by getting the truth to the public.
Ideally I would like Leveson to reconvene and have a whole new module on why the press were not actually doing the one thing that could justify their invasive and nasty behaviour. But whats the point in me even calling for this, the whole thing is a joke really. As mentioned in a quote I put on the coverup thread, much of the power of the press is about suppression of stories, not publication.
The Oldie story aspect about the BBC, mentioned towards the end of that Spectator link, was picked up by Guido Fawkes back in February it seems. Were people discussing that on here back then?
You have to subscribe to the Oldie to have access to the archive there I think
You have to subscribe to the Oldie to have access to the archive there I think
1%er
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You are right, there was talk many years ago about a politician who would visit south-east asia without his wife for holidays, I think it is the same person newsnight are being stop from talking about. This is almost a 30 year old story.
editor
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Don't do that again please because it's not clever and doesn't stop it being libellous either.
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