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I wonder if Savile was abused as a child. I have read that often paedophiles have been molested by adults in their own childhood. With so many Catholic priests being found guilty of paedophilia in recent years it may be that one of Savile's own priests was guilty as well.

The other aspect of Savile's Catholic faith, and the fact as reported in that Telegraph article linked in an above post, that he attended Mass several times weekly, is the possibility that he mentioned his activities in Confession. Would a few Hail Marys help to alleviate his conscience? Also are there priests who knew about his offending but were prevented from speaking out by the church code relating to confessions?

It makes you feel dirty just writing about him.
 
It was also due, to some extent, by the age of consent for male homosexual acts being 21.

I vaguely remember, sometime in the mid 1980s, friends telling me about a lesbian and gay rights event at which paedophiles were given a platform to speak. Apparently one of the men who identified as a paedophile only did so to draw attention to the fact that his boyfriend at the time was 19 years old, thus making him legally a paedophile.

I also recall hearing that a vigilante group called the "Deptford Dykes" had not only protested outside the event, furious at the inclusion of paedophiles, but had followed one of the "paedophiles" home (I am fairly sure that it was the paedophile who had a 19 year old boyfriend a- at least this was how the story was told to me by several people who attended the conference - broken into his home and beaten him up. IMMIC one of the members of the Deptford Dykes was a very well known face on the lesbian political scene, a woman who had lots of PC "points" as she identified as a black, Jewish, single mother lesbian (possibly also with a disability?). This woman built a career for herself in local politics and talked fairly freely and with great enthusiasm about her activism in this respect.

Pretty sure I know who you're talking about, and she wasn't even from Deptford, the naughty lass!
 
I wonder if Savile was abused as a child. I have read that often paedophiles have been molested by adults in their own childhood. With so many Catholic priests being found guilty of paedophilia in recent years it may be that one of Savile's own priests was guilty as well.

It's a bit pat though, a bit simplistic, even though it gets trotted out by every two-bit pundit.
There are certainly "contributory factors" to the development of a paedophile, and one of those factors is sexual abuse as a child, but others are, for example: childhood physical abuse; childhood emotional abuse; non-instilling of normative discipline/poor socialisation, and so on, and even then, this pertains to a majority of paedophiles rather than all of them, which is why I get annoyed at pundits who purvey it as holy writ.

The other aspect of Savile's Catholic faith, and the fact as reported in that Telegraph article linked in an above post, that he attended Mass several times weekly, is the possibility that he mentioned his activities in Confession. Would a few Hail Marys help to alleviate his conscience? Also are there priests who knew about his offending but were prevented from speaking out by the church code relating to confessions?

It makes you feel dirty just writing about him.

Savile would have found a way to absolve himself of guilt one way or another. His Catholicism possibly just provided a convenient avenue to it, but paedophiles tend to find some way of staving off the guilt, whether that's convincing themselves a la NAMBLA that adult-child sexual relations are not harmful, or telling themselves that the girl they raped was "asking for it" because she was dressed provocatively or was "giving off signals". Any excuse to avoid taking responsibility, basically.
 
From Savile's interviews in which he describes himself as a "crooked punter" and makes thinly veiled references to his crimes against children and even the "it was good while it lasted" inscription on his gravestone it seems likely that he knew exactly what he was doing, knew that he was hurting children and ruining their lives and knew that he would be exposed post mortem but just didn't care providing he was never outed during his lifetime.

I doubt that he ever believed in God.
 
I wonder if Savile was abused as a child. I have read that often paedophiles have been molested by adults in their own childhood. With so many Catholic priests being found guilty of paedophilia in recent years it may be that one of Savile's own priests was guilty as well.

The other aspect of Savile's Catholic faith, and the fact as reported in that Telegraph article linked in an above post, that he attended Mass several times weekly, is the possibility that he mentioned his activities in Confession. Would a few Hail Marys help to alleviate his conscience? Also are there priests who knew about his offending but were prevented from speaking out by the church code relating to confessions?

It makes you feel dirty just writing about him.


This might have some relevance had the Catholic Church been the main facilitator for Savile's sexual predelictions, but in this particular case it doesn't appear to be so.

The issue of confession is interesting from the point of view of whether or not he would have felt confident to confess his 'sins' to a priest and sought absolution, precisely in order to continue the abuse... A fresh start every week! However, given the secretive and calculated M.O. of such offenders, I would guess that Savile shared the actual details of his perversions with only a very few close collaborators and confidantes, despite apparently hiding in plain sight for all these years .

As for the simplistic extrapolation that all abusers must themselves have been abused and therefore go on to become abusers; it is a common theme in social work, but it is not a contention that has much evidence to support it. It's true that many abusers were themselves abused, but the truth is that the majority of people who suffer such trauma in childhood do not go on to become sex monsters as adults. Not all Catholic boys were shagged by their priests and not all Catholic priests were/are paedophiles.

I have no desire to defend the Catholic Church, I have absolutely no time for it based on bitter personal experience, but I find the extrapolation of "Ah, he was a Catholic, stands to reason he'd be a paedophile too.." as indicative of other deeper rooted prejudices which afflict the British psyche.

The clue is not in the religious sect itself, but in all organisations which provide easy access to children for sexual predators. Those can include churches, youth clubs, children's care homes, children's hospitals, boy scouts, girl guides, etc, etc... and broadcasters like the BBC.
 
Yeah, you were in a major band with a string of hits and TV appearances - and it's the last thing you want on your CV. At the same time, you wonder what sort of things they observed as they toured with Gadd. Maybe nothing but, well, you wonder.
Glitter was/is a prick.
I put Glitter on at Brighton Dome and he was completely separate from the band. Different room before and after.
This was the early eighties and he was columbia hoovering and there was no mixing with the band socially, but I think you are right, they must have known.
Known and put up with it :confused::mad:
 
Glitter was/is a prick.
I put Glitter on at Brighton Dome and he was completely separate from the band. Different room before and after.
This was the early eighties and he was columbia hoovering and there was no mixing with the band socially, but I think you are right, they must have known.
Known and put up with it :confused::mad:

If I’m reading this correctly, it implies that the Glitter Band knew what Gary Glitter was up to (I’m sure they did) AND they “put up with it” when touring in the sense that they knew it was wrong but chose to ignore it - making them culpable in some way by not reporting it.

IMHO, what Gary Glitter was up to on tour was probably viewed at that time as being “normal” for rock stars and so nothing out of the ordinary (assuming, of course, any alleged offences didn’t involve very young children and/or boys).

As I have stated elsewhere what may, or may not, have gone in Gary Glitter’s dressing room was, sadly, seen as a “perk” rather than an abuse.
 
I doubt that he ever believed in God.
presumably the pope has some belief in god and he's had a hand in covering rather more abuse than savile could have dreamed of. so i don't see why savile can't have believed in god. it seems to me a mite daft to say or believe 'someone who is or has done evil can't have had any real belief in god'.
 
presumably the pope has some belief in god and he's had a hand in covering rather more abuse than savile could have dreamed of. so i don't see why savile can't have believed in god. it seems to me a mite daft to say or believe 'someone who is or has done evil can't have had any real belief in god'.
though your right in what you say.I think the poster was more in line with paying for his sins in the afterlife.but to fuck up that arguement there is more joy in heaven when a sinner repents
 
The issue of confession is interesting from the point of view of whether or not he would have felt confident to confess his 'sins' to a priest and sought absolution, precisely in order to continue the abuse... A fresh start every week! However, given the secretive and calculated M.O. of such offenders, I would guess that Savile shared the actual details of his perversions with only a very few close collaborators and confidantes, despite apparently hiding in plain sight for all these years .
Since we're doing pure speculation I would say the JS MO was to get everyone who was a threat 'involved' or somehow onside, which (to speculate further) would extend to the local priest he confessed to (if he even had one).
 
someone has just sent me a link to a wordpress sit that links the Krays/ Saville / tory grandees / someone selse who is still alive / sutcliffe - I skim read it - Its like this bloke wrote it

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someone has just sent me a link to a wordpress sit that links the Krays/ Saville / tory grandees / someone selse who is still alive / sutcliffe - I skim read it - Its like [Grassy Knollington] wrote it.

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The other aspect of Savile's Catholic faith, and the fact as reported in that Telegraph article linked in an above post, that he attended Mass several times weekly, is the possibility that he mentioned his activities in Confession. Would a few Hail Marys help to alleviate his conscience? Also are there priests who knew about his offending but were prevented from speaking out by the church code relating to confessions?
The role of Catholicism in this very sorry affair depends on whether or not Savile actually took his faith seriously and, perhaps more importantly, whether he thought that, at the time of his offending, his behaviour was so shameful that it needed to be raised at confessionals
 
someone has just sent me a link to a wordpress sit that links the Krays/ Saville / tory grandees / someone selse who is still alive / sutcliffe - I skim read it - Its like this bloke wrote it

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probably read it on Disclose TV. I just skimread a load of pish on there.
 
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