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frogwoman said:
it was a logical conclusion of some of the more ridiculous end of the liberal identity politics bollocks in the 60s and 70s tho tbf.
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Aye and then there's the RCP/IoI/LM/Spiked lot who have some rather odd ideas about underage sex, all of them based on 'liberty'.
 
i suspect that a lot of the 60s and 70s support for paedophile "rights" among sections of the liberal left was due to a complete lack of understanding of what paedophilia actually was and a complete lack of accountability within the movement, self appointed leaders speaking for everyone, etc
 
barney_pig said:
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/com...w-did-jimmy-savile-fool-everyone-for-so-long/
No mention of the faith of savile.
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No, but:

This inability to see what is obvious can be true of any institution – including the Church. I am not talking here about cover-ups in the case of child abuse (though that has parallels with the Savile case) but more generally: when the self-belief of an institution takes over and becomes an end in itself, so that no one says “Wait a minute. What’s going on here?” Self-preservation has become more important than truth.
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Discreetly: "the Church is fucked and Papal authority is bullshit". Well, nearly.
 
barney_pig said:
Max Clifford on sky news this morning - apparently a number of well known public figures have contacted him "
Concerned that their actions may be misinterpreted" Clifford continues to say that they cannot be expected to remember what happened in a dressing room in the 60 s or 70s when they cannot remember what happened yesterday.
A mass outbreak of the Saunders defence
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Saunders Defence should be in the next edition of the OED.
 
The nephew, last seen calling for the itv documentary as a disgusting attack and it should not to be shown, has reappeared to tell of the family's pain at the revelations. Incredibly, he claimed that the family's pain, at the revelations he pressed so hard to rubbish and suppress was as great as that of Savile's victims!
 
barney_pig said:
The nephew, last seen calling for the itv documentary as a disgusting attack and it should not to be shown, has reappeared to tell of the family's pain at the revelations. Incredibly, he claimed that the family's pain, at the revelations he pressed so hard to rubbish and suppress was as great as that of Savile's victims!
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Well they must be feeling pretty embarrassed by it all (except his brother who also has a record). Not quite sure what to think of the great niece and her family that were "bought off"
 
barney_pig said:
The nephew, last seen calling for the itv documentary as a disgusting attack and it should not to be shown, has reappeared to tell of the family's pain at the revelations. Incredibly, he claimed that the family's pain, at the revelations he pressed so hard to rubbish and suppress was as great as that of Savile's victims!
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He/they really didn't mate. They said that it wasn't in the slightest as great as the victims.
 
My apologies , I was writing what I remembered him saying on the Victoria Derbyshire show, where I thought he had said that. Rather than the statement which I hadn't seen.
 
barney_pig said: ↑
Max Clifford on sky news this morning - apparently a number of well known public figures have contacted him "
Concerned that their actions may be misinterpreted" Clifford continues to say that they cannot be expected to remember what happened in a dressing room in the 60 s or 70s when they cannot remember what happened yesterday.
A mass outbreak of the Saunders defence
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caught today that Freddy Star has made a statement that not only is he innocent, but that he was a victim of child abuse when he was 8, and to this day he cant handle being "cuddled". Its not unknown for victims of abuse to abuse themselves, but either way this has Max Clifford (or similar) written all over it.
 
ska invita said:
caught today that Freddy Star has made a statement that not only is he innocent, but that he was a victim of child abuse when he was 8, and to this day he cant handle being "cuddled". Its not unknown for victims of abuse to abuse themselves, but either way this has Max Clifford (or similar) written all over it.
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I agree. You've left a great little window open for a pedant to have some fun there in your post.
 
gawkrodger said:
Worth a read

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2012/10/27/andrew-ohagan/light-entertainment
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A really good article. Makes the connection between the Savile case and the general culture of 'entertainment,' 'pop' music and so on in which he and others like him thrived. If any good comes out of this scandal, it will be an end to that sort of administered culture.

''One of the qualities that made the journey from radio to television was ‘personality’. Suddenly, you had these human beings who were ultra-everything: they were funnier and quicker and smarter than you – and, once on television, they were prettier, too. At the BBC these people became like gods. Even the weird ones. Even the ones who everybody could tell were deranged. They had personality and that was the gold standard.... And so you open Pandora’s box to find the seedy ingredients of British populism. It’s not just names, or performers and acts, it’s an ethos. Why is British light entertainment so often based on the sexualisation of people too young to cope? And why is it that we have a press so keen to feed off it? Is it to cover the fact, via some kind of willed outrage, that the culture itself is largely paedophile in its commercial and entertainment excitements? ''

Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
frogwoman said:
i suspect that a lot of the 60s and 70s support for paedophile "rights" among sections of the liberal left was due to a complete lack of understanding of what paedophilia actually was and a complete lack of accountability within the movement, self appointed leaders speaking for everyone, etc
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I once attended a "libertarian left/anarchist" meeting at Conway Hall in the late 90s where there was a symposium on sex and sexuality and three or four of the
people present that evening spent the whole time praising P.I.E., saying how wonderful and important they were. I and the other 20 or so
people there were really quite sickened and angry. Seemed the "Symposium" was really a P.I.E PR drive or some such.
 
gawkrodger said:
Worth a read

http://www.lrb.co.uk/2012/10/27/andrew-ohagan/light-entertainment
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An interesting article, and worth reading, but something jars when reading it; o'hagan places responsibility for the success of the culture of paedophilia at the bbc upon "to reflect on us all". writing about the numerous young people and their families who at considerable personal cost attempted to inform the authorities of the abuse they were suffering, and thus of the conspiracy of protection afforded to these predators by police and nhs managers and Bbc executives. O'hagan considers this to be the result of a national obession with celebrity which gave the paedophiles carte Blanche. Instead I would argue his own account shows how the class obsessed and privileged closed world of the establishment sought to defend its own against public exposure, welcoming in the new aristocracy of celebrity and according it with the same privileges which it had traditionally afforded the rest of the officer class. The outage of Savile, and the crisis this has caused in the BBC is a result of the fall in the dominance of the old media, and the rise of less controllable interwebs.
 
frogwoman said:
i suspect that a lot of the 60s and 70s support for paedophile "rights" among sections of the liberal left was due to a complete lack of understanding of what paedophilia actually was and a complete lack of accountability within the movement, self appointed leaders speaking for everyone, etc
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It was also due, to some extent, by the age of consent for male homosexual acts being 21.

I vaguely remember, sometime in the mid 1980s, friends telling me about a lesbian and gay rights event at which paedophiles were given a platform to speak. Apparently one of the men who identified as a paedophile only did so to draw attention to the fact that his boyfriend at the time was 19 years old, thus making him legally a paedophile.

I also recall hearing that a vigilante group called the "Deptford Dykes" had not only protested outside the event, furious at the inclusion of paedophiles, but had followed one of the "paedophiles" home (I am fairly sure that it was the paedophile who had a 19 year old boyfriend a- at least this was how the story was told to me by several people who attended the conference - broken into his home and beaten him up. IMMIC one of the members of the Deptford Dykes was a very well known face on the lesbian political scene, a woman who had lots of PC "points" as she identified as a black, Jewish, single mother lesbian (possibly also with a disability?). This woman built a career for herself in local politics and talked fairly freely and with great enthusiasm about her activism in this respect.
 
butchersapron said:
That doesn't work for liberty calling for incest to be made legal due to medial advancements and for the age of consent to be 14.
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I am not making any excuses for Liberty. Just stating that one of the causal factors behind odious groups like PIE gaining access to L&G events back in the day was issues re the age of consent for gay men
 
barney_pig said:
An interesting article, and worth reading, but something jars when reading it; o'hagan places responsibility for the success of the culture of paedophilia at the bbc upon "to reflect on us all". writing about the numerous young people and their families who at considerable personal cost attempted to inform the authorities of the abuse they were suffering, and thus of the conspiracy of protection afforded to these predators by police and nhs managers and Bbc executives. O'hagan considers this to be the result of a national obession with celebrity which gave the paedophiles carte Blanche. Instead I would argue his own account shows how the class obsessed and privileged closed world of the establishment sought to defend its own against public exposure, welcoming in the new aristocracy of celebrity and according it with the same privileges which it had traditionally afforded the rest of the officer class. The outage of Savile, and the crisis this has caused in the BBC is a result of the fall in the dominance of the old media, and the rise of less controllable interwebs.
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Got to agree. Interesting article, but the 'isnt the monster all of us?' crap rather ruins it...
 
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