the sir jimmy savile obe thread

[weltweit]

They (the media) are making a big deal that the editor of Newsnight Peter Ripon has apparently "stepped aside".. but it is not clear to me what exactly that means.

 

[elbows]

Just watched the Panorama program, in the wake of the Expose program and after the dropping of the Newsnight program. It rather seemed to be a lot of BBC people passing the buck. Especially the Newsnight editor Peter Ripon for putting the investigation into Jimmy Savile onto the back burner.

So, BBC infighting. And interestingly the other celeb that was mentioned was Gary Glitter and there was a momentary appearance of a youthful looking Freddie Star. I hope that was included for a good reason.

Did anyone ever tell you that you have an almost unique ability to present well developed and sometimes stale stories as if they are fresh out of the womb of revelation, basking in innocent naivety and staring at the unfamiliar surroundings?

 

[weltweit]

Did anyone ever tell you that you have an almost unique ability to present well developed and sometimes stale stories as if they are fresh out of the womb of revelation, basking in innocent naivety and staring at the unfamiliar surroundings?

Well you have just told me so that is great but how could all this have been dealt with before, the program was only screened just now?

 

[elbows]

Well you have just told me so that is great but how could all this have been dealt with before, the program was only screened just now?

The vast bulk of it has been reported elsewhere before now, and discussed here, sometimes at length. We've already had the Gary Glitter and the Freddie Starr stuff for a start.

 

[weltweit]

The vast bulk of it has been reported elsewhere before now, and discussed here, sometimes at length. We've already had the Gary Glitter and the Freddie Starr stuff for a start.

Yes, it is true, and I have read and even contributed around it. But I found it odd there was not something after this evenings Panorama program. However perhaps as you say, there was not much new but for me Peter Ripon's treatment and position seemed something I had not heard about before.

Anyhow, yes I have been accused of being a johnny come lately before, sometimes it is hard to keep up

 

[Citizen66]

The vast bulk of it has been reported elsewhere before now, and discussed here, sometimes at length. We've already had the Gary Glitter and the Freddie Starr stuff for a start.

We don't need another pogofish, ta.

 

[Louloubelle]

We don't need another pogofish, ta.

To be fair to elbows he has done a really impressive job of collecting a lot of obscure data.
This is definitely a thread that I would recommend people reading in full if that have the time simply because there is so much important information here

 

[Citizen66]

To be fair to elbows he has doe a really impressive job of collecting a lot of obscure data.
This is definitely a thread that I would recommend people reading in full if that have the time simply because there is so much important information here

Oh, I'm not knocking that. Just telling people what they can and can't discuss because they happen to have already discussed it themselves gets on my nerves a bit.

 

[Louloubelle]

fairynuff

 

[elbows]

I wasnt telling anybody what they could or could not discuss. I thought I was teasing weltweit about his or her ability to cover ground I could of sworn I saw them covering themselves in the past, yet treating this as a mission into previously uncharted territory. I often notice it and very seldom say anything about it, but this time I could not resist!

Sorry if it came across as a complaint. For me this phenomenon makes a nice contrast, its not like we are lacking posters who have very well-cemented and confident opinions on all matters, including myself, and people occasionally sounding like they've been living under a rock can help the conversation to flow. How am I supposed to give silly answers if nobody is asking silly questions?

 

[Citizen66]

Ok, I apologise. Just finished a late shift!

 

[elbows]

Cheers, though I'm not sure you need to apologise. Its quite possible my posts did sound like a demand not to retread certain ground.

As for Savile and Panorama, I think I ran out of words for this stage of proceedings. There are all manner of areas worthy of further investigation, I cant do any of it since the internet lacks depth when it comes to pre-internet events. And they havent quite uncovered anything yet that would take any institutional conspiracy aspects to a level well beyond speculation. So I will resist. Actually Panorama was a bit of a tease in this respect because of a few things Merion Jones whose aunt worked at the top at Duncroft said.

 

[free spirit]

a few things Merion Jones whose aunt worked at the top at Duncroft said.

I noticed that as well.

 

[framed]

The abuse of 'institutionalised children' by paedophiles like Saville via his access to institutions and care homes for troubled teenagers and young offenders recalled the investigation into the north Wales paedophile ring...

POSSIBLE ELITE BRITISH PAEDOPHILE RING​

http://pebpr.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[cesare]

Blimey. Also, I see that some of that home page article is written by David Icke.

 

[Pickman's model]

There are all manner of areas worthy of further investigation, I cant do any of it since the internet lacks depth when it comes to pre-internet events.

you're having a fucking laugh

 

[elbows]

No, I just worded it badly. I mean stuff such as few press articles being available online from the era before the net went commercial, which is why I ended up dredging Hansard and that book that someone else found. I cant think of anywhere else to look online.

 

[marty21]

The BBC is getting a right kicking over this - but the media seem to be leaving other people alone - afaik the evil Thatcher spent 11 New Year Eves with Savile - surely her security team checked him out before hand? If they didn't check him out - why not ? If they did, and didn't find anything, how would the BBC be expected to find out more?

 

[ska invita]

how would the BBC be expected to find out more?

...supposedly everyone already knew about it at the bbc ... "open secret". not defending thatcher of course

 

[weltweit]

Entwistle seems to be waffling a lot in front of the committee, does not seem to be "in charge" much.

 

[laptop]

afaik the evil Thatcher spent 11 New Year Eves with Savile

Wasn't the "11" flagged as a lie by Savile?

Question still applies to the times she was his host...

 

[DaveCinzano]

Wasn't the "11" flagged as a lie by Savile?

Do you mean "by Carol Thatcher"?

CT has said:

I don’t recall [Savile] coming [to Chequers] on Christmas Day.

I do recall him coming to a very informal party my mother used to host on Christmas Eve which a lot of the locals came to, and that included a contingent from Stoke Mandeville hospital.

My mother’s been out of office 22 years and I don’t pretend to have a memory like a website but that is my memory of his visits to Chequers

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ishers-Club-bans-women.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I was sure I had read something by Bernard Ingham saying that he didn't think Savile (a near neighbour) could be said to have been invited to so many Chequers Christmas or New Year dinners, but that he had on a number of occasions 'dropped in' and ended up having drinks there during the festive period. However I cannot find that article or comment anywhere so perhaps I imagined it.

In other Savile-Chequers 'news'...

I'd also like to pay my respects and say R.I.P. to Sir Jimmy Savile, who died on Saturday.

I met him only once - weirdly, it was at a dinner at Chequers in October 1999.

I was first to arrive that evening (sad but true) and I was standing talking to Tony Blair, who was rocking his Gap casuals.

Anyway, who is the next guest to arrive, but Jimmy Savile. At that point, I thought life is definitely getting surreal. Rock'n'roll to the end, he spent the entire night trying with persistence to chat up my wife, Kate. He was a rock'n'roller even in his 70s, a bit like my dad. Actually, my dad just does the rock'n'roll, not the charity work.

Creation Records boss Alan McGee, October 2011 - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/alan/jimmy-savile-alan-mcgee-creation-hay-on-wye_b_1066331.html

 

[butchersapron]

I was sure I had read something by Bernard Ingham saying that he didn't think Savile (a near neighbour) could be said to have been invited to so many Chequers Christmas or New Year dinners, but that he had on a number of occasions 'dropped in' and ended up having drinks there during the festive period. However I cannot find that article or comment anywhere so perhaps I imagined it.

Here

 

[laptop]

Do you mean "by Carol Thatcher"?

I meant (or meant to mean) that Savile did the lying, not the flagging!

Ta for links.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ta

 

[butchersapron]

I like the way that whilst other people are suspended on full pay Rippon took it upon himself to 'stand aside' on full pay. That's the spirit!

 

[marty21]

Wasn't the "11" flagged as a lie by Savile?

Question still applies to the times she was his host...

it's all a bit vague tbf - he says 11, they say not as many, thatchers says nothing - he met Blair as well, and Prince Chuck

 

[Wilf]

I like the way that whilst other people are suspended on full pay Rippon took it upon himself to 'stand aside' on full pay. That's the spirit!

'I won't be coming in for the next few weeks. Just send the money round'.

 

[AverageJoe]

The BBC is getting a right kicking over this - but the media seem to be leaving other people alone - afaik the evil Thatcher spent 11 New Year Eves with Savile - surely her security team checked him out before hand? If they didn't check him out - why not ? If they did, and didn't find anything, how would the BBC be expected to find out more?

I think (but I could be wrong) there's a little subplot evolving here from the Murdoch press. They are kicking up a stink about it to try and generate a crowdswell of support to strip the BBC of its licence fee. Meaning that it would become a commercial station. And he could buy it. Hence the front page of the Sun today. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4604080/Jimmy-Savile-BBCs-abuse-of-your-licence-fee.html

 

[Wilf]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/23/jimmy-savile-bbc-director-general-faces-mps-live
Guardian reporting that:

ch4 has seen an email fromLiz MacKean, the Newsnight reporter who investigated the Savile abuse allegations, saying editor Peter Rippon shelved the story because he thought the "girls were teenagers, not too young" and they "weren't the worst kind of sexual offences".
MacKean said Rippon's decision to ditch the investigation created "quite a perfect storm", according to Channel 4 News.
It said McKean's email, sent in December last year, claims Rippon was trying to kill the story by "making impossible editorial demands ... When we rebut his points, he resorts to saying: well, it was 40 years ago... the girls were teenagers, not too young... they weren't the worst kind of sexual offences etc."

Wow. If she can substantiate that, he's toast. Presumably these were the emails the Beeb's lawyers stopped getting into the Panorama programme?