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bubblesmcgrath said:
It's a programme that is very much based around relationship, sexuality, respect, legal advice, counselling....it's not a one size fits all at all.
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It sounds very impressive - have you got a pointer to it somewhere on the Web?

As a counsellor, I am always interested to see areas in which counselling is being integrated into a multi-disciplinary approach. It doesn't happen often enough, in my experience, so any good examples of best practice are great to see.

I'm also slightly at a loss as to where this "one size fits all" thing comes from - has anyone suggested this programme is a "one size fits all" one?

Can you see how the confusion might be arising?
 
existentialist said:
The problem with a lot of these programmes is that they're basically someone selling an agenda to a frequently uncritical and rather desperate marketplace. All too often, the primary criterion is price (well, actually, it's "is it free?") and quality or coherence come a long way down the list. I know, because I've been asked to deliver similar kinds of programme, and nobody's interested whether what you're touting is validated or in any way backed up by research or theory. And I have sat in on some truly appalling presentations, usually delivered by someone whose job isn't to deliver training (and boy, does it show), passing on some half-understood guff they picked up, Chinese whispers-style, presumably from some equally incompetent type who also read it off a 9 point Powerpoint slide.
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It's not a power point presentation.
Why are you so adamant that you think you know what's being implemented? It's a free programme that helps individuals ans groups. Coordinates all agencies involved and allows for very prompt action if required.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
It's not a power point presentation.
Why are you so adamant that you think you know what's being implemented? It's a free programme that helps individuals ans groups. Coordinates all agencies involved and allows for very prompt action if required.
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Well, I am not "adamant" that I think I know what's being implemented.

I am drawing conclusions about it on the basis of a) my own experience of the implementation of such programmes, b) the apparent cluelessness you - someone presumably familiar with this programme - displays regarding the most fundamental aspects of child protection, and c) the complete absence of any reference to what this programme actually is.

I am happy to be disproved.
 
No it's not the stay safe programme although it does use some of it. It is a programme on relationships and sexuality which has been implemented by psychologists in a special educational setting. Because it deals with helping individuals it has a very personal slant. Group sessions are given by psychologists. I'm not a psychologist. But existentialist if you are one you'll have access to similar programmes over there.
 
existentialist said:
The problem with a lot of these programmes is that they're basically someone selling an agenda to a frequently uncritical and rather desperate marketplace. All too often, the primary criterion is price (well, actually, it's "is it free?") and quality or coherence come a long way down the list. I know, because I've been asked to deliver similar kinds of programme, and nobody's interested whether what you're touting is validated or in any way backed up by research or theory. And I have sat in on some truly appalling presentations, usually delivered by someone whose job isn't to deliver training (and boy, does it show), passing on some half-understood guff they picked up, Chinese whispers-style, presumably from some equally incompetent type who also read it off a 9 point Powerpoint slide.
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Imo a lot of the problem with training, including child protection training, is that it doesn't attract funding. It's not "sexy", private sector businesses do not want to associate with it. So it's often low quality.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Is that important to you?
As a counsellor do you feel that the message is in some way inferior because it's not written the way you like?
Or do you think it should be a Flash website?
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I remember when conic sans was my absolute favourite font. I would have used it for everything given the chance. Suppose that shows my age :/
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
No it's not the stay safe programme although it does use some of it. It is a programme on relationships and sexuality which has been implemented by psychologists in a special educational setting. Because it deals with helping individuals it has a very personal slant. Group sessions are given by psychologists. I'm not a psychologist. But existentialist if you are one you'll have access to similar programmes over there.
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I am not a psychologist; I am a counsellor. We are very different beasts. But I am interested in what this programme is - you are talking it up very nicely, but it seems to me that you're being quite coy about its name, who developed it, etc.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Is that important to you?
As a counsellor do you feel that the message is in some way inferior because it's not written the way you like?
Or do you think it should be a Flash website?
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Don't be a tit. For a start, my comment was lighthearted (you can probably tell by the :D at the end of it). Secondly - as someone else has pointed out - serious stuff doesn't tend to end up being printed in Comic Sans over primary colour backgrounds. Given the bigging up you were giving this programme, it would have been a bit incongruous if that website had been it.
 
existentialist said:
Don't be a tit. For a start, my comment was lighthearted (you can probably tell by the :D at the end of it). Secondly - as someone else has pointed out - serious stuff doesn't tend to end up being printed in Comic Sans over primary colour backgrounds. Given the bigging up you were giving this programme, it would have been a bit incongruous if that website had been it.
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Ah..I'm a tit now.
Forget it.
Go ask one of the psychologists you work with to source it.
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
Ah..I'm a tit now.
Forget it.
Go ask one of the psychologists you work with to source it.
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I'll tell you how you come across to me.

You are someone who is happy to blunder around the place making sweeping - and inaccurate - statements. When you're challenged, you resort instantly to outraged huffing and puffing, and insisting that you're being "misunderstood". When someone tries to get to the bottom of your misunderstanding, for example by inviting you to provide a little backup to your increasingly insistent vague claims, you find something else to get "offended" by, all the time chucking out a few jibes here and there.

This is not the behaviour of someone who is interested in debating a serious topic in a sensible and mature way. It is the behaviour of someone who expects to pull stuff out of their arse and post it without anyone daring to suggest that it isn't true, accurate, or valid. You are posting on a very serious thread about a very serious subject, and it isn't acceptable that you should be able to post the kind of nonsense you have done without someone challenging it.

I think that it is, er, interesting that you have responded to my perfectly reasonable request to give a few more facts about this programme which supposedly validates your idiotic views on this thread by being rude and choosing to be outraged because I called you "a tit". Personally, my suspicion is that either this programme doesn't actually exist, or that it is as bollocks as the garbage you've been posting here, and you know it. So you blow smoke by getting all huffy about it rather than actually admit it.

And now I am going to stop wasting my time and derailing this thread by responding to you on it. With any luck, this derail will wither and die and we can get back to what the thread's done so well up until now.
 
I can't imagine the sort of programme that would've got thru to me as a child/teenager. I was so convinced I knew more than any adult. The kids I know now r just the same. The politer ones treat u with a sort of amused tolerance if u show any signs of being concerned for their safety. I think an individually tailored programme is a very useful idea but the amount of work put in to such an undertaking would b massive. Inter-agency cooperation is better in some areas than others too. And of course if the head of child protection/social services is a paedophile (as has been the case in areas of the Yew Tree enquiry) well it would b doomed from the start.
 
existentialist said:
I'll tell you how you come across to me.
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You are someone who is happy to blunder around the place making sweeping - and inaccurate - statements. When you're challenged, you resort instantly to outraged huffing and puffing, and insisting that you're being "misunderstood". When someone tries to get to the bottom of your misunderstanding, for example by inviting you to provide a little backup to your increasingly insistent vague claims, you find something else to get "offended" by, all the time chucking out a few jibes here and there.

This is not the behaviour of someone who is interested in debating a serious topic in a sensible and mature way. It is the behaviour of someone who expects to pull stuff out of their arse and post it without anyone daring to suggest that it isn't true, accurate, or valid. You are posting on a very serious thread about a very serious subject, and it isn't acceptable that you should be able to post the kind of nonsense you have done without someone challenging it.

I think that it is, er, interesting that you have responded to my perfectly reasonable request to give a few more facts about this programme which supposedly validates your idiotic views on this thread by being rude and choosing to be outraged because I called you "a tit". Personally, my suspicion is that either this programme doesn't actually exist, or that it is as bollocks as the garbage you've been posting here, and you know it. So you blow smoke by getting all huffy about it rather than actually admit it.

And now I am going to stop wasting my time and derailing this thread by responding to you on it. With any luck, this derail will wither and die and we can get back to what the thread's done so well up until now.
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And you come across as someone who is a foremost authority on psychology. What exactly are your qualifications?
 
bubblesmcgrath said:
And you come across as someone who is a foremost authority on psychology. What exactly are your qualifications?
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I have a bachelor's degree in integrative counselling, a post-qualification diploma in counselling children and young people, and seven years' experience as a counsellor in mainstream school and PRU. I'm also an NSPCC-qualified trainer in child protection, and the course director on the counselling Certificate course for a local training establishment, where I also serve as their Designated Child Protection Officer.

Apart from that, I am completely unqualified.
 
equationgirl said:
Oh come on, existentialist made it quite clear he isn't a psychologist. Very clear in fact. He is however an extremely experienced counsellor. You're quoting him out of context deliberately.
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An experienced counsellor telling me my response to personal abuse was wrong ....is not the response of a counsellor.
I spoke about how I reacted and how I would react. I was told that I was wrong.
 
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